Sam Lin

Devia, if you're seriously interested, I'd get on Renegade's e-mail list, read the archives there, lurk for a while - there's a lot of good info in there, I've been researching and lurking for a while. You end up with a faster, more reliable car that's cheaper to maintain from then on.

Sam

Matt H

KMR has a 944 with a 928 engine, IIRC.
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DerSchlechtSpecht

Im pretty sure the 16 valve 928 engine will fit, however the 32 valve will not will not.

-Christian

cheetah chrome

Check out the links to Bob Ward's site in this post . This is the ultimate Hybrid IMO and his install is very clean.

I wouldn't mind doing this to a 924 (CGT copy like Bill's) or a 914 someday.

Predator

No 928 engine will fit into a stock 944 chassis...period. Extensive tube chassis work is required. Chop off front end, graft on tube chassis, engineer new suspension, mount 928 motor, spend a buzzillion bucks. A chev V8 conversion will cost much, much less, and perform better, with less problems. I wish the 928 motor would fit, but, they still don't make that much hp. The early 16 valve motors only made 240 hp. The LT-1/4 conversion is the easiest, cost effective means to make your 944 a super car contender!

hacker-pschorr

Matt,
The KMR car is a complete tube frame race car by FABCAR, I'm pretty sure nothing on that car firewall forward was ever a 944 part.

Darius Juca

why not a 944 turbo for that money? even thought the "supposed weight difference in a v8 944 hyb is 2% that is when standing still..in Hard turning or drifting that changes a bit becouse the cars etra weight wich sits up front shifts more forward under those conditions..so you have to use very stiff springs..etc ...just too much of a hassle..Like Hacker sayed...you want a V8 buy a 928 32 valve..just as good(it think better) as a chevy engine and you get dual overhead cams..instead of the .outdated pushrod..why do they still use that?....but still as far as handeling and ballance..951 all the way

PS as a previous owner of a Buick GRand National I would also think that a 3.8 V6 turbo would be the best for a hybrid..and fast...mine was 11 second car in everyday drive mode....

Sam Lin

The V8 is faster than a 944 Turbo at that same money level - put in mod money, and it's still faster (the key is the torque - area under the curve is far greater), as well as far cheaper to run and maintain. The handling balance change is nowhere as severe as you describe, it's considerably less than the difference between a full and empty fuel tank. A stock 944/951 suspension needs some work anyway, it's no more or less work in that regard.

Sam

Darius Juca

SamI see your point and you DO know your stuff..however I can not agree with you fully..I think it is more of a hassle and maybe even costlier..not by very much ..but a lot of stuff has to be upgraded..suspen,trans,trans..then custom fabrication..but then again 944 NA are fairly cheap so maybe not that bad..I just don't see too many hybrids at the track and less doing well..maybe I am not aware....there are a few 928's and a lot more 951's.928 are a bit heavy...seems like most racers prefer 951 due to the combo of nimbleness and power..correct?

Predator

I think a 4.3L V6 with a Vortex supercharger would be a neat project. But, all in all, the LT-1 is still the best bang for the buck. My Summitt Racing LT-4 makes 400 hp and cost less than $4000 to build. Its a full roller motor and spins to 6300 rpm. With the 951 tranny, I can criuse all day at 75 mph at 2250 rpm's. Get 22 mpg at that speed. The Renagade kit can be used with the 4.3 L V6, but I do not think they manufactured tube hedders for this motor. I think there is a 944 with the Grand National motor somewhere on this List. Might search it out.

Matt H

Hacker, I didnt imply it was a stock car, did I? :>)
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dmsog

There are some of us who convert these cars that don't mind having to do the necessary upgrades to achieve the proper results. Custom fabrication? I sold my Legends racer because, being a spec series car, no fabrication was allowed. I am a fabricator and fabricating gives me a kick. One man's 'hassle' is another man's sense of self satisfaction over a job well done and having the ability to make a reliable, safe, fast car from parts that were never designed for this particular purpose.
Also, as strange as this may sound, my motoring interest in my car is cruising around town and on the highway. I have little or no interest in tracking the car. If it'll go around a circular highway ramp at 40mph I'll be happy. My car is a Chevy with a Porsche body on it.
Just my philosophy.

Doug

Predator

Hey dmsog....I like your list of modifications. Like the ol' saying.... How fast do you want to go $$$$$$$$$.

ftanguay

Devia,

why do you want to go to a hybrid??? porsche engineer well enough those car to beat almost anything on 4 wheels (almost)... If you want power, buy a 951 and put some mods. They are not so expensive and you can beat much american V-8 or japanese crap with this... on a track of course ; ). These cars are not hotrod... they are precise german hell machine.

Sorry to all rennlister I could offend by this but I'll have to said " put anything else than a Porsche engine in a Porsche is a SIN!!!" I really don't see the point to put a big torque engine (I don't find them well made either) in a light weight frame? Porsche did all they can to give us a near perfect balance car and as light as they can.

That's of course my own opinion.

Porsche is a tradition! and as the good phase state, they're is no substitute!!!!!!!

dmsog

Then a sinner I shall be! I'm already on the way to hell for a lot worse things than an engine swap .

Doug