thunderbird supercharger on a 944na?
04-19-2004, 09:33 PM
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O/T The T-bird stop looking good after 1957 (some early 60's exceptions). My grandfather was one of the head engineers on the project when it started in 53 and until his death in 1986 he always regretted ford handing it over to the “NEW DESIGN TEAM” in 1957. Though I have to say the one little car he was another head on, oh I forget the name, something after a wild horse LOL is still doing nicely though I am not very partial to them.
04-20-2004, 10:43 AM
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I seriously doubt it - junkyards usually strip out anything of value like stereos, carburetors, etc. You might get lucky but I'd bet it'd take HOURS of digging around ratty old junkyards.
04-20-2004, 06:01 PM
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My oldest bro has an 89 Supercoupe
It has about 340HP at the wheels right now after quite a few mods. Also has Cobra wheels, drilled rotors, lowered, and Koni adjustables all around.
The car is fast as hell and I think looks really good
It has about 340HP at the wheels right now after quite a few mods. Also has Cobra wheels, drilled rotors, lowered, and Koni adjustables all around.
The car is fast as hell and I think looks really good
04-20-2004, 08:23 PM
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944J,
The only car I can think of that uses the charger you want was the mid-90's Mazda Millenia-S. They were equipped with Opcon AutoRotor superchargers (aka Lysholm), and this is hands down the most efficient S/C on the market (adiabatically and volumetrically).
I had a Lysholm on a VW of mine and the thing was a beast. The downside here is trying to locate a used one. You can buy them new from www.bahnbrenner.com , but they are around 2300 for the VW retrofit kit. I imagine the charger alone would run you around 1850 or so, since that's all you'll need.
The Eaton is not nearly as efficient in high boost applications, but then, it would be the cheaper option. They are a dime a dozen, and they work. And it's not like you'll be running 22 lbs of boost anyway, so maybe that's the way to go to keep cost down.
You should be able to get the car boosted with an intercooler for about 1250 total if you're thrifty and/or resourceful. I'd imagine the stock motor could handle as much as 8-10 psi so long as you're intercooled and temps/timing are in check, but it's best to start low and work your way up.
The only car I can think of that uses the charger you want was the mid-90's Mazda Millenia-S. They were equipped with Opcon AutoRotor superchargers (aka Lysholm), and this is hands down the most efficient S/C on the market (adiabatically and volumetrically).
I had a Lysholm on a VW of mine and the thing was a beast. The downside here is trying to locate a used one. You can buy them new from www.bahnbrenner.com , but they are around 2300 for the VW retrofit kit. I imagine the charger alone would run you around 1850 or so, since that's all you'll need.
The Eaton is not nearly as efficient in high boost applications, but then, it would be the cheaper option. They are a dime a dozen, and they work. And it's not like you'll be running 22 lbs of boost anyway, so maybe that's the way to go to keep cost down.
You should be able to get the car boosted with an intercooler for about 1250 total if you're thrifty and/or resourceful. I'd imagine the stock motor could handle as much as 8-10 psi so long as you're intercooled and temps/timing are in check, but it's best to start low and work your way up.
04-20-2004, 08:33 PM
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how much HP/TQ would 8-10 bring?
What if I got a 1986 951 engine then built the SC onto it and put it in my car?
Do you know of any good books or sites that outline the sc/turbo process step by step with math and everything?
What if I got a 1986 951 engine then built the SC onto it and put it in my car?
Do you know of any good books or sites that outline the sc/turbo process step by step with math and everything?
04-20-2004, 08:42 PM
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Well, it's hard to say. Power is more a function of CFM rather than boost.
I guess the 944 motor has fairly high compression, so you could see ~200hp with 8 lbs I'd bet.
The 951 motor is intended for boost so the CR is lower. You'd be able to run a smaller pulley.
At any rate, headwork will increase your results substantially. I think that's gonna be the worst choke point if you're running ~10 lbs+ of boost, being a SOHC 8v motor.
There's a book by Corky Bell you can find references to online about Supercharging principles, it's worth a read.
I guess the 944 motor has fairly high compression, so you could see ~200hp with 8 lbs I'd bet.
The 951 motor is intended for boost so the CR is lower. You'd be able to run a smaller pulley.
At any rate, headwork will increase your results substantially. I think that's gonna be the worst choke point if you're running ~10 lbs+ of boost, being a SOHC 8v motor.
There's a book by Corky Bell you can find references to online about Supercharging principles, it's worth a read.
04-21-2004, 02:13 AM
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I think a lot of 'em sell them to rebuilders true, but a lot go on ebay nowadays from what I've heard, and a lot of the parts go to shops direct. I've even heard of "junkyard" parts being used for insurance work (accident repair) but I suppose that's only if it's allowed by the insurance company or it'd probably be illegal.