Any Purists?
02-24-2004, 01:32 PM
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There's no cutting involved! The LT-1/4 fits like it was made for it. The car handles every bit as good any 951 I've ever driven, and on the track, there is no way any 944 could out run this car...period. But I didn't build the car for the track. Its just a great street car, ps,pw, a/c. Very comfortable, with the power to outrun 99.5 % of the cars on the road. This car looks completely stock from the outside, except for the 17" SpeedLines. I have a lot of fun with the so called 'fast' cars that like to pick on 944's. Please, don't judge the conversions until you have the opportunity to ride/drive one.
02-24-2004, 01:37 PM
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what's to judge? i own a porsche. you own an... well, as aircraft go that would be classified 'experimental', so thats what i'll call it. it may be fast, but i'm not out to race every ricer and their uncles. i dont care if some dumb soccer mom or redneck can accelerate faster than i can in their minivan or pickup. Porsches are a whole different breed, and i'd like to think that the original things that were designed into them set them apart from the rest of the cardboard boxes out there. included in that is my attitude that i don't have to beat anyone(esp. in a drag race) but that i am confident and comfortable in my abilities and my cars abilities and that i can use those to the fullest.
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02-24-2004, 01:58 PM
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I personally want to have one bone-stock, concourse quality original porsche, and one "WTF-is-that?!" porsche. Sorta the Mr. Hyde to my Dr. Jeckyl. The Ying to my Yang. Know what I'm sayin'?
02-24-2004, 02:27 PM
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Originally posted by Predator
Please, don't judge the conversions until you have the opportunity to ride/drive one.
Please, don't judge the conversions until you have the opportunity to ride/drive one.
As far as the car being welcomed at PCA events, I wouldn't sweat that. I have a hard enough time getting recognition for a 951. I always have the feeling they're looking for any opportunity to drop me from the discussion.
You know the routine - there are 911s, and there are cars... Seriously, I know one guy with an '85 911 that's constantly berating my car, asking when I'm going to move "up" to a "real" Porsche, and just how much superior his car is to mine. Please.That's what I like about Rennlist so much. There are people here who truly like the 944, and we don't have to make excuses.
02-24-2004, 02:32 PM
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Re: Any Purists?
Originally posted by starr944
Just curious, and I certainly don't want to offend anyone - Are there any "purists" here who prefer an all-stock, no-mods 944?
Reason I ask? When I was an MG owner, I was blown away by how **** those guys were. They'd rather see an undercarriage with 30 years worth of crud versus a freshly painted one. God forbid you modified these cars in any way!
I've always prefered tasteful mods that enhance but not overwhelm the look of the stock car. I'm sort of stuck in between with my 944. I'm a sucker for big rims, fat brakes, subtle interior mods, and an overall clean look. But, there's a huge side of me that would like to keep her stock - completely.
In my humble opinion, the 944 should maintain a rice free diet if possible. Then again, some think 18" wheels and a pedal set (even ones at $200+) is bordering on rice. Some cars, I must admit, look pretty sweet riced out. I just can't see the 944 with a Universal Bolt-On Wing.
Thoughts? Opinions?
Just curious, and I certainly don't want to offend anyone - Are there any "purists" here who prefer an all-stock, no-mods 944?
Reason I ask? When I was an MG owner, I was blown away by how **** those guys were. They'd rather see an undercarriage with 30 years worth of crud versus a freshly painted one. God forbid you modified these cars in any way!
I've always prefered tasteful mods that enhance but not overwhelm the look of the stock car. I'm sort of stuck in between with my 944. I'm a sucker for big rims, fat brakes, subtle interior mods, and an overall clean look. But, there's a huge side of me that would like to keep her stock - completely.
In my humble opinion, the 944 should maintain a rice free diet if possible. Then again, some think 18" wheels and a pedal set (even ones at $200+) is bordering on rice. Some cars, I must admit, look pretty sweet riced out. I just can't see the 944 with a Universal Bolt-On Wing.
Thoughts? Opinions?
02-24-2004, 02:46 PM
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Originally posted by Predator
There's no cutting involved!
Its just a great street car, ps,pw, a/c.
Please, don't judge the conversions until you have the opportunity to ride/drive one.
There's no cutting involved!
Its just a great street car, ps,pw, a/c.
Please, don't judge the conversions until you have the opportunity to ride/drive one.
You left off "PB!" I don't have much use for AC (lack of employment/steady income) is the only thing that kept me out of the AC delete group buy, but I like my power brakes.
I haven't really judged the conversions, I haven't even ruled out doing one myself oneday. I'd love a ride if your ever in the area. My only real problem with it is that I like to participate in PCA events and you can't do that here with a converted car.
02-24-2004, 02:55 PM
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Originally posted by Red1
As far as the car being welcomed at PCA events, I wouldn't sweat that. I have a hard enough time getting recognition for a 951. I always have the feeling they're looking for any opportunity to drop me from the discussion. You know the routine - there are 911s, and there are cars... Seriously, I know one guy with an '85 911 that's constantly berating my car, asking when I'm going to move "up" to a "real" Porsche, and just how much superior his car is to mine. Please.
That's what I like about Rennlist so much. There are people here who truly like the 944, and we don't have to make excuses.
As far as the car being welcomed at PCA events, I wouldn't sweat that. I have a hard enough time getting recognition for a 951. I always have the feeling they're looking for any opportunity to drop me from the discussion.
You know the routine - there are 911s, and there are cars... Seriously, I know one guy with an '85 911 that's constantly berating my car, asking when I'm going to move "up" to a "real" Porsche, and just how much superior his car is to mine. Please.That's what I like about Rennlist so much. There are people here who truly like the 944, and we don't have to make excuses.
I guess NNJ is a lot like Rennlist in that there are enough 944 series owners to make their own group!
02-24-2004, 03:09 PM
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Originally posted by Dave
There's a big difference between this and what I was refering to. NNJ has a pretty good 944 following, we have our 911 purists too, but there are enough waterpumpers that it isn't a big issue. It doesn't hurt that our current president drives an S2!...
There's a big difference between this and what I was refering to. NNJ has a pretty good 944 following, we have our 911 purists too, but there are enough waterpumpers that it isn't a big issue. It doesn't hurt that our current president drives an S2!...
Lots of NNJR members are track junkies. There are a lot of 944's that are tracked: most likely due to the fact that they are inexpensive to maintain compared to the 911. Thus, you'll see DE events where almost 40% of the cars are front-engined water pumpers!
Just my $0.42,
-Z.
02-24-2004, 03:26 PM
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Hey Z! Without even knowing what most of the board drives, I can name 6 cars, last I heard Al (Al P) and Marlene have 3-4 of 'em alone!
I have to say that I've only overheard a couple anti-waterpumper remarks in my 5 years with NNJR, none have been directed at me.
I have to say that I've only overheard a couple anti-waterpumper remarks in my 5 years with NNJR, none have been directed at me.
Last edited by Dave; 02-24-2004 at 04:04 PM.
02-24-2004, 04:00 PM
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The only real anit-944 remark I heard was from a guy I was flagging with at Lime Rock a few years back. (NNJR does their own flagging for DE's at Lime Rock, BTW). He was bashing the 944 left and right. IIRC, he had a 3.2 Carrera. Said the 944 wasn't a 'real' Porsche.
Oh, and he only got through 1/2 a session on the track before he had significant engine problems and had to call it quits.
That was after his engine had already been rebuilt 3 times!
'Nuff said.
-Z.
Oh, and he only got through 1/2 a session on the track before he had significant engine problems and had to call it quits.
That was after his engine had already been rebuilt 3 times!
'Nuff said.
-Z.
02-24-2004, 05:05 PM
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Last time I dealt with my local region of the PCA, I found them to be the reason that the "Porsche snob" stereotype exists. My dad quickly stopped going to the meetings. Hell, at one PCA/VW club autocross, the 911 drivers wouldn't even speak to you unless you drove a Porsche.
You can imagine how sore then were when the FTD was run in a '79 Rabbit...
Granted, this was in the early 90s, so things might have changed since then. But that's the main reason I haven't bothered to join PCA on my own.
BB.
You can imagine how sore then were when the FTD was run in a '79 Rabbit...
Granted, this was in the early 90s, so things might have changed since then. But that's the main reason I haven't bothered to join PCA on my own.
BB.
02-24-2004, 05:24 PM
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Originally posted by BeerBurner
Last time I dealt with my local region of the PCA, I found them to be the reason that the "Porsche snob" stereotype exists. My dad quickly stopped going to the meetings. Hell, at one PCA/VW club autocross, the 911 drivers wouldn't even speak to you unless you drove a Porsche.
Last time I dealt with my local region of the PCA, I found them to be the reason that the "Porsche snob" stereotype exists. My dad quickly stopped going to the meetings. Hell, at one PCA/VW club autocross, the 911 drivers wouldn't even speak to you unless you drove a Porsche.
02-24-2004, 05:28 PM
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Originally posted by BeerBurner
Last time I dealt with my local region of the PCA, I found them to be the reason that the "Porsche snob" stereotype exists. My dad quickly stopped going to the meetings. Hell, at one PCA/VW club autocross, the 911 drivers wouldn't even speak to you unless you drove a Porsche.
You can imagine how sore then were when the FTD was run in a '79 Rabbit...
Granted, this was in the early 90s, so things might have changed since then. But that's the main reason I haven't bothered to join PCA on my own.
BB.
Last time I dealt with my local region of the PCA, I found them to be the reason that the "Porsche snob" stereotype exists. My dad quickly stopped going to the meetings. Hell, at one PCA/VW club autocross, the 911 drivers wouldn't even speak to you unless you drove a Porsche.
You can imagine how sore then were when the FTD was run in a '79 Rabbit...
Granted, this was in the early 90s, so things might have changed since then. But that's the main reason I haven't bothered to join PCA on my own.
BB.
