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Old 01-07-2019, 04:50 PM
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Well an actual substance update.
I have received in a package containing
  • LS1 conversion oil pan with pickup and oil filter base
  • C5 bellhousing with HTOB, extended bleed lines and torque tube adapter plate.
Just sent payment on a LS1 longblock core to be shipped in and do a rebuild on.
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Old 01-09-2019, 05:38 PM
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Originally Posted by lamrith View Post
From some of the threads I found in my research it seems I should look for a 944T/951 gearbox for the LSD and better R&P ratio? Then swap the 5th gear from my NA box into it? Or are there other "magical combo's? I will have plenty of torque from low down, so taller 1st is not a concern and probably even preferred?
In Porsche lingo, the box you probably want is the AOR transaxle used in the S2 (89-91) and the 968 (aka "S3"). It's considered by many to be the strongest stock transaxle Porsche made for the car. I'm not familiar with fitting it to an LS conversion though. I've transplanted a stock ZF LSD into mine with the assistance of Dimi (FlyingHorseMotorSports.com) and he's a great resource for those parts. He also set me up with a short 5th gear for the track since I'm not really interested in finding the top end mph wise, most of the tracks I use the car on don't offer the opportunity for cars that only make 210 bhp. I prefer more technical tracks so keep that in mind when evaluating my experiences and build goals.

I understand there may be hardened gear sets available from 951 boxes that can be transplanted to the AOR.

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Old 01-10-2019, 11:21 AM
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Originally Posted by Clark-88-944 View Post
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...Can those be set for stock ride height?


No they cannot be set to stock ride height. Mine is set to the highest setting and is still pretty low....

Clark-88-944 Those springs look much too short, you should absolutely be able to achieve a stock ride height using coilovers usually at the upper extreme of the spring adjustment. The other thing I notice on your set-up is that you donít have a helper spring to positively locate your spring to the spring seat/cap. That is a very dangerous situation, there is a good chance that your spring will dislodge from its seating while cornering or even if you hit an undulation in the road. When (not if) that happens you will (not maybe) lose control of the car.

My safety advise fwiw, (1) please fit suitable longer springs, you can retain the same spring rate if you like just longer so that at the upper limit your stock ride height is achievable, and (2) get a spacer and helper spring to firmly locate your spring to the spring seat in all situations. A spacer is simply a metal ring that separates two springs and a helper spring is a flat spring with zero spring rate which keep everything together if the main spring is likely to separate from its spring seat. Fyi hereís a picture of how my springs look with the car on jacks:



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Old 01-10-2019, 12:15 PM
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Originally Posted by MAGK944 View Post
Clark-88-944 Those springs look much too short, you should absolutely be able to achieve a stock ride height using coilovers usually at the upper extreme of the spring adjustment. The other thing I notice on your set-up is that you donít have a helper spring to positively locate your spring to the spring seat/cap. That is a very dangerous situation, there is a good chance that your spring will dislodge from its seating while cornering or even if you hit an undulation in the road. When (not if) that happens you will (not maybe) lose control of the car.

My safety advise fwiw, (1) please fit suitable longer springs, you can retain the same spring rate if you like just longer so that at the upper limit your stock ride height is achievable, and (2) get a spacer and helper spring to firmly locate your spring to the spring seat in all situations. A spacer is simply a metal ring that separates two springs and a helper spring is a flat spring with zero spring rate which keep everything together if the main spring is likely to separate from its spring seat. Fyi hereís a picture of how my springs look with the car on jacks:



Thanks for the info MAGK944!

So a brief update on the project. A few things popped up in front of me and though I am not even close to ready for them I bought them anyway, gotta grab those deals when you find them!
  • '02 Camaro SS LS1 Longblock - It needs the Cyls bored from sitting a while with no heads, but crank and rods are supposed to be good, nothing spun. We shall see, absolute worst case if the crank needs more work than just a polish I may just "go big or go home" and buy a 383 stroker kit since I will be boring the block to the same bore those kits use. I stumbled on this longblock for $200 + shipping. Actually paying more for freight than I am for the block, but still 1/2 of what the folks up here want for an LS1.
  • Camaro/Trans am WS6 6sp Wiring harness and ECU - pretty much the perfect harness and ECU for what I am doing, $270 shipped to me for the package. New harness alone are usually over $350.
I will update with pictures once the block lands, it will probably get a coating of oil from me to stop any further deterioration and then sit in the corner on my engine stand for a while.



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Hey MAGK944, nice information! Three questions about your set up:

1) Are you using Paragon kit? It looks like it, but I just wanted to confirm.
2) What spring rate did you choose for the front springs?
3) Do you have a recommendation for sourcing the spacer ring?

I have the Paragon kit on my project 944S with helper springs, but not the spacer rings yet (car is not on the road yet), but I would like to add those rings before the project is complete. FWIW I have 300 lb-in springs...

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Originally Posted by 500 View Post
Hey MAGK944, nice information! Three questions about your set up:

1) Are you using Paragon kit? It looks like it, but I just wanted to confirm.
2) What spring rate did you choose for the front springs?
3) Do you have a recommendation for sourcing the spacer ring?

I have the Paragon kit on my project 944S with helper springs, but not the spacer rings yet (car is not on the road yet), but I would like to add those rings before the project is complete. FWIW I have 300 lb-in springs...
Yes itís the Paragon kit with Koni inserts, 350F and 550R springs with GC Koni rear coil overs (tb deleted) and 968 M030 sways F&R. The spacers and helpers are by Eibach, you can get them from various places just search using the part numbers on the boxes:




Btw the spacers are not essential, you can simply use cable ties to attach the helper to the main spring to stop it moving, the spacers are just a more elegant solution.
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Great! Thank you for the answers!
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