Is This Where I Tap For My Boost Gauge?
#17
I'm really missing something here (could be my old age...remember I'm 54 and my brain cells aren't quite at sharp as many of yours undoubtedly are). I hear the words "boost", and I automatically think "turbo boost". So, reading this thread, the brake "boost" line has absolutely nothing to do with turbo air charge boost; rather, isn't the braking boost created by vacuum? And what's the purpose of knowing the level of boost (or vacuum, if you will) to your brakes?
Now, don't tell me that the brake force increases in a linear response to turbo boost, or I may just do a complete meltdown (it's been a long day at the salt mine).
Now, don't tell me that the brake force increases in a linear response to turbo boost, or I may just do a complete meltdown (it's been a long day at the salt mine).
#18
on a turbo the vacuum line to the brake booster has a check valve in it. so the booster can only see's vacuum. so for your boost gauge the good in dash ones have a replacement check valve with an additional 1/4 inch line for the gauge. just pop out the clock snake the hose to the back of the brake booster. pull the old check valve off the connect the new one. only takes a few minutes.
My external boost gauge is electronic, and wired into a sensor on the intake manifold...then wired and snaked laboriously up to the dash (a real pain in the a _ _ I might add). It never occured to me to use the brake boost line. I think I'll be looking to buy a manually operated boost gauge now, since it would be more accurate than the electronic version. Except I don't like the in-clock position of most of these gauges (I like keeping the clock so I can time my 1/4 mile runs). Something small and obscure is more my liking.
#19
Also, the origonal boost gauge gets it's reading from a sending unit threaded into the intermediate manifold/blow off valve housing or the rear tank of the intercooler which is above the throttle body.
The brake booster vacuum hose connects to the intake manifold which is below the throttle body so connecting your manual boost gauge to that will give boost readings that are more accurate and in line with what the engine is actually seeing.
If you have both gauges it's kind of interesting to accelerate at part throttle and for example... you may see around .8 bar boost in the intercooler on the factory gauge, but you'll only see around .1 or so on the manual gauge.
Thats because the throttle is only open a little ways and the cylinders are swallowing most of the air being forced by it so the boost pressure in the intake manifold is lower than what the turbo is making upstream of the throttle in the intercooler.
If you go full throttle than the pressure above and below the throttle body becomes almost the same... depending on the size and restriction of the throttle body.
Bernard, your car is so clean it looks like it just left the showroom...
When I look down around the brake booster under the trunk carpetting on my '87, or any other car thats been on the road a while, everything has a fine coating of old dust.
I've brushed around everything with assorted size paint brushes and blown most of it away with 120 psi compressed air, but it's not as clean as yours.
You have a really nice car man.
The brake booster vacuum hose connects to the intake manifold which is below the throttle body so connecting your manual boost gauge to that will give boost readings that are more accurate and in line with what the engine is actually seeing.
If you have both gauges it's kind of interesting to accelerate at part throttle and for example... you may see around .8 bar boost in the intercooler on the factory gauge, but you'll only see around .1 or so on the manual gauge.
Thats because the throttle is only open a little ways and the cylinders are swallowing most of the air being forced by it so the boost pressure in the intake manifold is lower than what the turbo is making upstream of the throttle in the intercooler.
If you go full throttle than the pressure above and below the throttle body becomes almost the same... depending on the size and restriction of the throttle body.
Bernard, your car is so clean it looks like it just left the showroom...
When I look down around the brake booster under the trunk carpetting on my '87, or any other car thats been on the road a while, everything has a fine coating of old dust.
I've brushed around everything with assorted size paint brushes and blown most of it away with 120 psi compressed air, but it's not as clean as yours.
You have a really nice car man.
#20
Just to add, the brake booster has a check valve (non return valve) so no boost pressure goes in to the brake booster. The booster can store 3 pedal pumps of assistance anyway with no vacuum coming from the engine. Try it out when you turn off the engine when parked, if you can't get at least 2 pushes you have a problem...
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OK guys, I think I'm on board with this now. Makes sense, now that I've had a good nights sleep.
My external boost gauge is electronic, and wired into a sensor on the intake manifold...then wired and snaked laboriously up to the dash (a real pain in the a _ _ I might add). It never occured to me to use the brake boost line. I think I'll be looking to buy a manually operated boost gauge now, since it would be more accurate than the electronic version. Except I don't like the in-clock position of most of these gauges (I like keeping the clock so I can time my 1/4 mile runs). Something small and obscure is more my liking.
My external boost gauge is electronic, and wired into a sensor on the intake manifold...then wired and snaked laboriously up to the dash (a real pain in the a _ _ I might add). It never occured to me to use the brake boost line. I think I'll be looking to buy a manually operated boost gauge now, since it would be more accurate than the electronic version. Except I don't like the in-clock position of most of these gauges (I like keeping the clock so I can time my 1/4 mile runs). Something small and obscure is more my liking.
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#24
The white hand (to answer the question from Equality) i just there to set your elapsed time from your starting point. Basically worthless.
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VDO sells a little vac/boost gage just like the one you have (FYI).
I ran my boost signal back to the engine. The brake booster may work just fine but I don't like splicing into things that are dedicated to other important functions - like brakes.
I would assume some signal bleed during brake operation. You guys don't trail brake out of corners while on boost?
I ran my boost signal back to the engine. The brake booster may work just fine but I don't like splicing into things that are dedicated to other important functions - like brakes.
I would assume some signal bleed during brake operation. You guys don't trail brake out of corners while on boost?