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Old 04-05-2006, 05:18 PM
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That must have been right after they moved locations. They used to be up on Belmont for the last 7 + years. Enjoy the warm AZ weather!
Old 04-05-2006, 08:07 PM
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Originally Posted by 125shifter
Since used 993 RUF's are selling at over $200K, this price seems pretty good. Nice car. Some days as I stand in the garage looking at my 930 that's been apart for almost 2 years, that I've spent an obscene amount of money on, I wonder if I wouldn't have been better off spending the money up front so I could just drive.

You think you wouldn't have took that car apart then after a while ?

Who are you kidding
Old 04-06-2006, 02:16 PM
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Originally Posted by nathanUK '81 930 G50
I think one thing positive about that car as it is definitely a Ruf is that it has been seam welded (unless they were not). Also was the shell lightened too ? (holes drilled and no soundproofing). Or am I wrong ?

But as for money well invested, probably not. My car too will suffer with this problem, it is far from original and therefore will devalue alot.
But hey I like my car and it is what I could afford.
Although the rear valance has been slotted to vent heat, I would say that nothing was done if not to the contrary to reduce weight. The vin sticker shows a gross vehicle weight of 3418 which is about 200 pounds heavier than my 94. Also why did they use a G50/50 and not a G50/52?
Old 04-06-2006, 03:31 PM
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If the car wasn't lighter or seamwelded then I wouldn't bother to buy a Ruf. Would want to weigh it to see before parting with any £$£$£$£$

Wasn't the G50/50 stronger than the 52 ?
Maybe it saved having the shaft shortened and obtaining the different end cover.
Old 04-06-2006, 03:51 PM
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Originally Posted by nathanUK '81 930 G50
If the car wasn't lighter or seamwelded then I wouldn't bother to buy a Ruf. Would want to weigh it to see before parting with any £$£$£$£$

Wasn't the G50/50 stronger than the 52 ?
Maybe it saved having the shaft shortened and obtaining the different end cover.
I believe the 50 used brass gears the 52 used hardened steel. That was what I was told but could be wrong.
Old 04-06-2006, 07:14 PM
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I have a feeling that they all are brass but can all be upgraded.

I know that the 996tt X50 option or the 996tt S has steel synchros.

Do you know what the benefit of brass is ? I can't seem to work it out.

Don't think they would last long in the 915
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Brass vs. steel synchros does not have to do with strength, but with faster shifting
Old 04-07-2006, 01:41 PM
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Could you please explain a little, ok a lot more ?

TIA Colin.
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I can say that both brass and steel have very high tensile strength although Brass is mallieable as were steel is not. I was told that the hardned steel synchros were considerably stronger but the sole purpose for the brass was to make for easier shifting for the non turbo market.
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So you mean that the brass is easier to force/squash into the slider ? I would have thought that the brass would wear very quickly compared to the steel and therefore the 915 would eat them up. I have to admit I have never seen inside a G50 type box yet... I have no intention of doing so, fingers crossed...
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Originally Posted by nathanUK '81 930 G50
So you mean that the brass is easier to force/squash into the slider ? I would have thought that the brass would wear very quickly compared to the steel and therefore the 915 would eat them up. I have to admit I have never seen inside a G50 type box yet... I have no intention of doing so, fingers crossed...
I wish I could give you more specific info. The info I have is second hand so take it with a grain of salt. I was told that the factory wanted a smoother easier shifting tranny for the N/A market and the brass helped to achieve this vs the hardened steel. Brass is more durable than you might think especially if it is in an enclosed oil filled environment. In comparison to the steel brass would wear down as where the steel when forced would break before wearing. I would say when forced the brass would not hold up as well as the steel and that may be why the G50/52 is known as the strongest tranny Posche ever made.
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Originally Posted by nathanUK '81 930 G50
So you mean that the brass is easier to force/squash into the slider ? I would have thought that the brass would wear very quickly compared to the steel and therefore the 915 would eat them up. I have to admit I have never seen inside a G50 type box yet... I have no intention of doing so, fingers crossed...
The 915 and G50 have two totally different synchrosin them. The 915 is Porsche Synchromesh and is basically a big ring that slows the gearset down as the shift is made. The G50 is Borg Warner style, which is more like a cone that slides over another smaller cone. I can pull some pictures tomorrow of both styles so you can see the differences.
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That would be great Colin, thankyou very much.

Thanks Anthony.



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