neo930

Hi all,

I'm a frequent advertorial scanner for that special opportunity when it arrives.

Often I see cars advertised that claim to have the WLS upgrade (330hp) but what are the initial (pictures) possible cue's to look for that is a real WLS ?

There is more to it on a technical level of course, but my impression for those simplest more visible cues to check was:
- bigger and rectangular-lamel intercooler (instead of the diagonal lamel model from top sight)
- dent in airbox to accommodate that bigger intercooler
- most of the time the left as well as right side dual-exhausts although not always I understood

However this seems not to be correct sometimes.

Especially with the Flachbau cars people seem to assume they always also have the WLS 330hp, which is often, but not always the case.

And again: of course I know there are more things to look for, but that involves to see the car in real life and getting under/in it. That's not what I mean with my question.

Can anyone elaborate ?

For example this (by the way awesome) car:

https://www.elferspot.com/en/car/por...-1989-3604876/

Info much appreciated.

mr. rpm

330 HP WLS was not available from the factory on US models

neo930

I understand, but I don't refer to US models specifically, instead 930's (WLS) in general.

Joe@Fabspeed

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All USA Porsche 930 and 930S factory slantnose cars had 286HP for North America. The European cars were rated at 300HP. A few special European models had 330 HP. The European 300HP cars had a K27 Turbo versus the USA cars 3DLZ turbocharger. Perhaps the 330HP car had a higher boost spring and bigger intercooler and a dual outlet exhaust with quad pipes.

I own a 1987 930 S with the factory slant nose option and I am president and founder of Fabspeed Motorsport USA . ITs super easy to really wake up these cars to around 375 to 400HP with proven reliable bolt-on modifications that have been around for 40 years.

On my car I added Fabspeed headers with heat, dual outlet Maxflo sport exhaust with 4.5” round tips, .8 bar boost spring, Fabspeed intercooler , Fabspeed 930, C2 Turbo air intake system , 964 cams and K27S turbo. It’s one of my favorite cars despite GT4RS and 993 RS Clubsport ANDIAL built cars.

Joe Fabiani PCA Member 37 years
www.fabspeed.com

Need to convert it to throttle body fuel injection with Motec and get to 525 to 550 HP with better idle, fuel economy and even more speed.

Cut the Right side valence for dual tips

Widowmaker V Z06

C2 Turbo style state of the art intercooler and Fabspeed intake

neo930

Thanks for your input Joe, it's a great car.

Reason for asking my question is that too often a 930 is claimed to be an (non-aftermarket tune) original 330hp car, however it just seems to have some Sonderwunsch options like the S-front spoiler and/or vents in the rear wings etc... which for example could be ordered without having the actual WLS-performance-upgrade from 300 to 330hp.

Especially car-companies but even auction-houses (has been demonstrated) too quickly seem to think: "Oh... that's a 330hp car" when in fact the engine is untouched and does not have that WLS-upgrade.

So there the motivation for my question: Assuming an original car, is it possible the 930 has the 330hp Werk Leistung Steigerung (SOW020 see document) without the bigger intercooler, dual exhaust, dent in airbox, pressure regulator on the right side of the intercooler etc ?

For example the engine bay in the car below ticks all the boxes to be a true 330hp engine, but could a 930 be a 330hp car without this setup ? Again: assuming an original car.

CGT000

Hi Joe. I have your cup car dual exhaust and headers on my 88 Slantnose Cabriolet and I love it. 1 question. Any reason why you went with 964 cams vs sc cams?

Joe@Fabspeed

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Thank you for the kind words. Actually it’s been so long since I had my 930 engine performance rebuilt , split case and completely gone through she might in fact have 911SC cams or 964 cams. I would have to look it up. Keith Peare at Powertec Rockaway NJ does all my aircooled engines and transmissions. I am seriously considering a 3.4l/3.6 liter TB fuel injection conversion this winter at Turbocraft by Chris Carrols team.

For some reason the Ye Olde WIDOWMAKER makes me smile for miles. I’ve completely restored the car. New performance rebuilt engine , 4 speed, new Bilsteins, completely repainted 2 stage paint new windshield rebuilt brakes. I even had Powertec pull the engine and complete suspension systems and all parts so when I painted it I did my best to do a CANEPA style refinish. I might send it away for dry ice blasting next. She’s out of fuel so I can not get more power. I cant answer the OPs question but perhaps a phone call to WEissach Sunderwunch and he could get the answers .

I am debating building a Kremer K3 street car - would not CUT up my 930S 1987

So sexy - need a donor raced 930 or beat up 997TT send to Kremer DP Germany

Terrible fuel economy, turbo lag, no ABS power brakes no power steering no airbags 4 sod - killed skilled drivers — A/C works …….was at Grid Icons car show recently.

Engine trans suspension brakes struts out - perfect preparation for multiple coats of Guards Red . 2 stage means color coat no gloss.

2 stage paint . Guards red and 2 coats of clear better than factory . Final clear coats give it deep clear shine . After baking curing clear PPFed

Did all wheel wells and engine bay. $$$


Enclosed flatbedded back to Powertec - on a custom air-cooled dolly

505 factory fenders - never refilled window washer bottle.

911X2

I have a 1982 930 with turbo, intercooler, wastegate, and exhaust mods. I'm not sure of the total horsepower at this point, however my 930 really takes off at 3,000 RPM when the boost kicks in.

Intercooler

930 Exhaust

Silversun262

Mine has same intercooler. Is your exhaust billy boat?

mine was rebuilt with performance cams and k27 turbo. Full boost pegs the gauge at 1bar and kicks you in the *** at about 3500-4000.

911X2

B&B triflow exhaust with dual 3" outlets. I see over 1 bar from time to time on the secondary mechanical boost when really heavy on the pedal - TIAL waste gate.