Ohtsquared

Hello All, Does anyone have recent buying or selling knowledge of this niche in the M491, M470 Carrera model? It strikes me that the cars are so rare that they seldom come to market and it's difficult to assign an accurate value. The entire Porsche market seems to be in flux except for low production factory cars. Thoughts??
Ohtsquared

Bloose993TT

Not sure about the market on those but figure in between a Carrera coupe and Turbo. Here's a nice one for sale...

http://forums.pelicanparts.com/porsc...000-miles.html

onboost

The market on M471/M470 cars is all over the place.. the car is basically a Carrera with turbo flares, suspension, and brakes... others may look at it as a Turbo without the turbo eng.. however, the vin number puts it as a Carrera.

They come-up for sale from time to time and I've seen many of them way overpriced as they fall in between the two cars above. At a certain price-point, many decide to spend the extra dollars and get a real Turbo.
However, I would think that overall condition and mileage will be the main evaluators for value on these cars.. M471/M470 is an option, and should add something to that value, however I don't see it as a differentiator.

You might want to check further as I do believe there is a M471 registry.

1stgear

I paid $42.5 for mine in late 2014 and it was quite neglected. 92k on the ODO and ran well, but interior was shot and paint was about a 6.75 out of 10. I keep an eye on prices since my purchase and I can't say that I've seen one go cheaper than what I paid.

Tfranklin

All,

I'm looking to purchase a turbo-look 911 (Preferably a 1989, non cabriolet model) and need your help. Please let me know if you know of one for sale. Thanks, in advance,

Tim Franklin
330.665.9097
Tim@franklinandassociates.com

Adams

The M491s seem to slot in price right inbetween the narrow body Carrera and the Turbo equivalent. The SCM guide says 'add $5000' but that is severely dated and grossly undervalued.

Given their rarity, I see the prices inching closer to Turbos than to narrow body Carreras.

I'm not alone in this, but I specifically did not want a Turbo (had 3 of them over the years) and greatly preferred the M491.

no.radar

wildcat077

Friend of mine sold his 8 out of 10 condition 1984 black M491 for 60K Canadian
last Fall.
He was approached at a light last Summer by some guy who gave him his card and said to get in touch with him should he ever decide to sell ... they exchanged a few emails out of curiosity and it was a done deal !

Tremelune

Flux? Air-cooled 911s aren't getting cheaper. If they do, I'll buy another one just like the rest of us, and that fact alone will prevent them from going down any further. The reason they stopped shooting up at all is because people started doing their diligence on the 996tt. It's real hard to choose between a G50 coupe and a 21st century Turbo for the same money.

The factory widebodies come up for sale less than 930s. Coupes go for more than targas or cabs, as per usual. G50 examples are extremely rare. Condition is everything.

Since the VINs aren't special, this German guy Norbert is the foremost authority on which cars are real and which are fake:

http://www.turbo-look.com/?l=1

Brad Baker

I have been trying to watch values also. I have a 1985 Blk / Blk Factory M491 coupe. Very good condition, 100K mi. COA, Looks and runs great. A lot of service history. I logged in today to try to figure out values , if I decided to sell and buy a late model turbo. I'm just thinking about it , ran across this post, Its hard to make out just what these cars are worth.

Tfranklin

I'm interested in knowing more about your car. If you are considering selling, please email me photos and service record information to Tim@franklinandassociates.com. That goes for anyone else who wants to sell their M491, too. And, yes, I can't find any price comparisons either. Hagerty doesn't even have any costing information. Thanks for responding. Tim

sjgreco

I just purchased a 1988 Turbo-look with 47,000 miles. Documentation supports condition and it is in excellent original condition, 2 owner car. As a 1988 only 37 coupes were offered in the US and it has the G-50 transimission. I paid a premium because of the condition and rarity. The 1989 coupes are the rarest. My car never was listed. A few years ago they were much less same as the 930's and most air cooled. Now if you see a good car you have to move quickly or it will be gone.

Like most people, I was interested in the iconic 930, but many shops noted the extra maintainence issues, long four speed gearing and the obvious lag. I was more interested in the look than the performance. As many mechanics pointed out, the 491 has most of the 930 options but the more reliable 3.2 motor and a 5 speed. l may have over paid but this is a car I plan to hold for a long time not as an investment but as a cool rare 911.

Tfranklin

Very happy for you! Hope I find one too! What was the price range you paid...if I may ask? Email the cost to me if you prefer: Tim@franklinandassociates.com

Thanks,

Tim

Tremelune

Yeah, so what'd you pay?

Amber Gramps

Dude....You growin' weed in your front yard? Gotta love California.