Old Guy

Sorry if this has already been answered. I searched the colors and found hundreds of posts for these search words, but after 20-30 minutes gave up looking around. Our '85 Euro Carrera clearly says "Indischrot" on its underhood sticker: India Red. Code 027. But for codes, this applies also to Guards red. One local shop's computer says the mix codes differ. Dr. Colorchip is telling me the mixes are the same, i.e., Guards and India are the same color. Parked next to a true Guards Red car, my eyes tell me the colors are a bit different - but then our car is 30 years old. What is THE answer? Are they the same color?? Thanks

Amber Gramps

India is more like blood red.....no?

GTgears

I've used this page as a resource for years. Many colors have multiple color codes and subtle changes over time. I recently encountered this in painting my gulf blue car. Gulf is a different color on a long nose than on an IB car.

http://www.elferclassic.de/technik/farben/plack_rot.php

They list BOTH colors as Indischrot, but there are no fewer than 7 listings for it, with it split between Guards and India. There aren't samples of each, but from the samples they have you can see it's not always the same color.

Add sunfading into the mix and it gets really complicated.

JCP911S

If it really matters to you, go with the color code on the sticker...

Beauty is in the eye of the beholder, but a color code is a color code, and if resale value is important to you, an original color code is an original color code.

911Dave

Indeed this question has come up many times, though I don't ever remember reading a definitive answer. I do know that 027 was originally India Red (Indischrot), and then at some point they started calling it Guards Red even though the color sticker continues to say Indischrot to this day. Some claim the formula didn't change at all, while others say it is subtly different. But of course, as you suggested, after 30 years it is guaranteed that your car isn't precisely the same color it was when it left the factory. I'm told that red fades faster than any other color.

Mondrian

Don't get stuck on the.name as its the code that matters - as previously mentioned there are a few different codes for Guard Red throughout the years.

grgallo

very interesting discussion, my gut tells me go with the paint code on the underside of hood and reference the elfer classic web site searching by year. The CoA (if you want to spend $$$) lists the original color and code, but the code they provide is the factory code not the sticker code. For example my 1987 911 sticker states L80F, on elfers web site this is listed as Cherryrot, Carmine Red. My CoA states for exterior paint, Carmine Red/G4. Note G4 is provided on the elfers web site along with the sticker code and the color name.

Mondrian

CoA are notoriously inaccurate, it lists my black with a current code which did not even exist back in the day.

Old Guy

For what it's worth, here's a photo of the fender sticker on our "India Red" 911. I have no idea if the G1 or "8 2" after the 027 mean something.

theiceman

the sticker is a 928 part number .... thats funny

911Dave

Check the part number on your VIN sticker as well.

fennlane

INDISCHROT - A genuine Nightmare.

Code 025 1974 to 1987

027 G1 or G8 1973 G1 & G8 are shade variations depending on the market and have mixing variations

2510 1973

2525 1973

80K 1986/2004

We recently bought PPG Paint and the tin can marked 027/80K - I asked the supplier which one he had supplied and he told me initially that they were the same but when we did a spray out test panel the paint didn't match the car and didn't match the original paint that had been used to re-spay the car.

There are slight variations.

The most worrying is the fact that there are two different auxiliary codes for 027 which suggests that there are shade variations.

A real muddle.

If you doing a full respray the differences are small and not a real issue but a 'blow-in' could be a real pain.

Old Guy

Interesting info, thanks Fennlane. Lucky at my end: only planning to use the Dr. Colorchip product on the lower front valance, which is very rock pitted. Depending on how it turns out, I might try to improve the rock chip repairs here and there on the upper body...fortunately there are only a few of them. Thanks again.

Brian 96C2

2510 is for an India red Targa with 025 the color of the body and 010 (black) being the color of the roof which of course is the Targa top. So 2525 is an India red coupe with 025 the color of the body and roof.

cmonref

I heard, in Germany in the early 80's when I bought my Indischrot 911, that Indischrot and Guards Red were the same color, but packaged for the ROW and the US markets, respectively. Sounded good at the time, but history shows the wide variations.