Freddie Two Bs

i've come across a couple of local (to me) cars that look somewhat interesting. Here’s the first one. This vehicle was sold earlier this year for about $20/21k, so the car has ‘dealer flip’ written all over it. Nonetheless I'd love to hear what you experts think, based on info available and pictures, if it may be worth going to take a look in person.

http://newyork.craigslist.org/brk/ctd/4815325290.html

My initial thoughts are:

1) based on the pictures, the interior looks rather tired and worn to me. Or is it the normal level of wear for a car that old?

2) this picture shows what looks like a messy bundle of electrical wiring hanging from underneath the dashboard. I'm assuming that those wires aren't supposed to be there normally?

http://s1377.photobucket.com/user/st...ml?sort=3&o=67

3) based on some info visible on the old ebay $21k listing, it looks like there was a 3y gap between the last two car registrations, so it could be that the car might have sat idle for at least a year, which clearly wouldn’t be good.

4) the engine bay looks clean but there seems to be some kind of dent in the condenser/mixer: http://s1377.photobucket.com/user/st...ml?sort=3&o=41

5) there was a "corrected title" event in Ohio in 2006. Should that be a red flag or is it more likely to be a non-issue?

For reference, these are the ads from the previous two sales:

2011: http://media.collectorcarpricetracke...0587681882.pdf

October 14: http://www.ebay.com/itm/Porsche-911-...US_Cars_Trucks

wildcat077

As far as the interior goes,i would think it's pretty good considering that the dash doesn't appear to be cracked and the seat bolsters exibit normal wear and they aren't torn,it is a 30 year old car after all ...
Not sure if i would spend 27K for an 83 though ... somebody is making a good markup after a thorough detailing job !

Do get a solid PPI from an independant Porsche shop if you want the real truth about the car !

Cheers
Phil

KDRGibby

That guy has been posting it on and off ebay for the last 2 months. That is a high price for an SC so you better really want one.

thstone

I spent the past 6 months looking at SC's and just bought this 78 SC Targa 155K miles and paid $15K. Similar overall condition. I'd say the car you're looking at is $5K overpriced. Keep looking, there are better deals out there.

On the positive side, I will say that an SC is a great car and tons of fun to drive.

KDRGibby

NICE!!!!

Yes the seller is a dealer (flipper) who bought the car for about $21,000 back in October. I contacted them about the recent "work" that was done on it to see if they did a little more than wash and wax the car and mark it up $6,900. He did not answer my question.

Freddie Two Bs

Thanks! What about that bundle of wires and the condenser, does that look ok to you?

GothingNC

Sports seats are a plus but the turbo tail needs to go, you could keep it or sell it and find a stock decklid or a different tail.

Were the head studs replaced?

Not many clean SC coupes around for under $30k.

Nice Targa for $26K

http://forums.pelicanparts.com/porsc...-26-900-a.html

84 for $27K

http://forums.pelicanparts.com/porsc...che-911-a.html

IMHO I would rather buy a 911 from an Porsche enthusiast, not a flipper.

GothingNC

82 Rosewood Targa in VA for $20K.

Needs some work.

http://washingtondc.craigslist.org/n...822985871.html

KDRGibby

i contacted the owner for the red 85 in IN a few days ago, sale is already pending.

I bet it will end up in the hands of a flipper

KDRGibby

I resisted the urge to bid on this 1986 911 http://m.ebay.com/itm/321623790738?nav=SEARCH

Other than the salvage title due to theft what made me walk away is the seller said the car had a 901 transmission... Shouldn't it be a 915?

Also a 964 electric tail but I could live with that. I kinda want to know what happened to this car with mixed updating and backdating (the transmission)...

Sold for $17,000

JCP911S

My prejudices are showing, so apologies up front, but I wouldn't buy a used toaster from somebody on Craigslist...

Unfortunately, the rapid value rise on these SC/Carraras is bringing all the scumbags out of the woodwork.

Fortunately, there are still lots of these cars in the hands of legitimate, enthusiast owners who know where to advertise (Excellence, Pelican, Pano, etc). Also word of mouth in the local PCA club can yield nice cars for sale.

There are no "bargains" anymore. Feral Porsches can be money-pit nightmares. You can quickly drop $5K into a sh*tbox, and still have a sh*tbox

If you want one of these cars, spend the time and premium dollar to buy a well documented car from a long-term private owner. You won't be sorry.

tpd83911

Could not agree more with JCP911S. In my limited experience I have purchased great porsches from no-BS enthusiast owners with maintenance records, no surprise carfax, and clean title work. In nearly every case there was a specific independent mechanic that had taken care of the car and could talk about the car's history and owner. PPIs confirmed history/maintenance/value and are necessary and worth every penny- they have also found minor items that did not dissuade but have allowed negotiation. The extra time and money to find these cars comes back if the day ever comes to sell. The money pit sh*tbox will be no fun to own or sell. Tom

theiceman

the initial car in this post is worth about 21 k . dont pay the sh!tbag markup

wildcat077

If this helps any ... there are some nice cars in the Panorama classifieds,you can bet that most of them had been treated well during their ownership,it's worth taking a look !

Of course there's a few dreamers who think their car is made of solid gold,but nevertheless i noticed a few decent deals.

Cheers
Phil

GothingNC

Looks like the 83 Coupe has a new owner. I had a feeling it would not last long. Went to a Pelicanite in OR. http://forums.pelicanparts.com/porsche-911-technical-forum/844834-new-porsche.html