1969911E

I have been looking at a 1969 911E that is restored to near show level, It is expensive and the shop is selling it has a decent rep. I was told by the paint guy that a wrecked 911E was completely disassembled and the vins cut out and welded in a rust- free 69 912 the shop never mentioned it to me and I have signed a contract to buy a 911E a put down a small deposit

I am scared as hell even though the shop has a good rep ( except for this )

I thought that this was illegal as heck and given the money involved !!

Help !

CW-VIESOCK

Reputable shops/trust worthy people don't reassign vin numbers. Take your money and run.

WPOZZZ

Don't do it. As far as I know, it is illegal to swap VINs with another car. On the 911/912 there is at least 3 places that I know of where you will find the VIN. The VIN tag on the A pillar or dash, near the smuggler's box and under the knee pads.

racngrn

This is a classic dilemna in the resto industry and a very familiar one in the muscle car restoration business. There are some various schools on this, largely driven by th enotion that extremely extensive restorations often retain precious little of the original body/frame to achieve the desired concours restoration. It is often referred to as "re-bodying" and , at a minimum, should be disclosed. I'm guessing the price to be paid is steep and the value of this vehicle will, without question, be compromised by this use of another body. For some buyers, if price is lowered to account fo rthis and the buyer is aware, then a happy accord can be found. If you buying this car with expectations that it is what it appears to be , and the expectation is that value will follow, I'd say it may be time to exit this deal. Transparency is crucial. Good luck. Steve

User 4221

If you buy this car knowing it has been re-bodied, then you will likely take the depreciation hit if you decide to sell it. Or, if you sell it, and don't disclose the re-body, then you are on the hook for fraud.

If this thing is priced at 911E levels, then the re-body should be taken into consideration and disclosed.

CW-VIESOCK

Varies from state to state. The biggest issue here is if the car is not original, it is not worth as much as a restored 912 AND will they supply the title or proof of ownership for the 912 donor body. Worth could be more if it is a Singer type build or a juiced-up track car.

Reiver

Be direct and pose the question.
If that wasn't disclosed during the 'contract' it is a misrepresented vehicle.
Rebodied-re created or whatever if the VIN was swapped and you were not told about this very big issue you have grounds for getting money back and walking....if what you were told is actually true.

Steve Weiner-Rennsport Systems

JMHO, but this is one to run away from, no matter what.

Own Goal

Depends on what the buyer is expecting and what was presented. If thought buying a restoration it's fraud. If buying an outlaw and price is right, neat. My best bud has been a Porsche mechanic, service writer, salesman, service & parts manager from teen years to retired. Does a lot of mechanical restoration for 356 and pre 74 911's. Right now his personal project is sort of like this: a '69 912 I traded to him but building a nice 3.0 SC for it. an outlaw. Depends on what you want.

Reiver

Pretty obvious what he thought he was getting from his description of the contract...a restored 911 E...not a 912 Hot Rod, which generally still retain their original VIN and title and are represented as such.

1969911E

It is being presented as a 911E and I am very suspicious thank you all I may give you an update when holidays clear.

1969911E

OKAY it is being sold as a 911E and the title has been signed off by the previous owner, shop owner
mentioned nothing about the tub swap and told me that this is a restored car and 911Es are going up in value.

Should I call them out, I will get my money back buy my attorney, according to state law this is a real no-no and could cause a heap of trouble for them I am a bit disappointed but I appreciate the help and opinions

Amber Gramps

Again, this isn't a tub swap. THIS IS FRAUD. Had it been anything else they would have been right up front about it.

JCP911S

Just get your money back.

Then you can buy anything you want. You can buy an attorney, or you could buy a nice dinner.

Personally, I'd go for the dinner.

Peter Zimmermann

The 1969 912 that I built into a 2.2 911E. It was sold with its 912 VIN intact... As Steve W. wrote, run!