sc vs. 911e
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sc vs. 911e
i have continued my search and have stumbled upon a few more porsches. theres a guy down the street from me selling a 78sc with new a/c, tires, clutch, cd player, etc.... anyways the reason it is being sold is the death of an inlaw gave him an inheritance of a 83 911sc so he is not driving this one. The car has 190k. IS THIS WAY TOO MANY MILES OR CAN THE SC MOTOR GO FOR MORE. car is selling for 7k and it is in good shape.
another car is a 69 911e with a upgraded 2.2 911e motor. car has been completely gone through about 2k miles ago. would this be a wiser choice for resale later on or would the sc. I tend to sway towards the sc because the Hen in the house likes the AC. both cars are listed for same price. Any feedback
another car is a 69 911e with a upgraded 2.2 911e motor. car has been completely gone through about 2k miles ago. would this be a wiser choice for resale later on or would the sc. I tend to sway towards the sc because the Hen in the house likes the AC. both cars are listed for same price. Any feedback
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The SC motor has proven to be very durable if properly maintained. In the latest Excellence mag, Bruce Anderson reports having heard of a number of SCs w/ 500,000 miles on them. It has the advantage of a fully galvanized body as well, which the '69 will not have (check it carefully for rust.)
I seriously doubt that the '69E has been "completely gone through" if it is selling for $7K, at least not by my definition of that phrase. Such sayings mean different things to different folks, I guess, so what exactly do you mean? If it has been completely rebuilt, then it is a bargain at twice the price.
Get a thorough PPI done on either one of them before plunking down your bucks, though. Either one could be harboring some expensive problems that might not be obvious to an untrained eye.
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I seriously doubt that the '69E has been "completely gone through" if it is selling for $7K, at least not by my definition of that phrase. Such sayings mean different things to different folks, I guess, so what exactly do you mean? If it has been completely rebuilt, then it is a bargain at twice the price.
Get a thorough PPI done on either one of them before plunking down your bucks, though. Either one could be harboring some expensive problems that might not be obvious to an untrained eye.
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tom your located in la jolla? i live right down the road in Fallbrook. The owner had an original price on the car at like 11k and keep dropping do to him living out in the desert where i guess not to many people want to go to look at the car.
As for the "completely gone through" that was his words quoted directly. he said new clutch, motor, and so forth. The car has 120k miles total.
Here is a link to the SC if any would like to check it out. What i would like to know is what car would be smarter to buy for investment reasons. My family will probably have the car for a while. will the sc become a collector car in 10 or so years?
<a href="http://adcache.collectorcartraderonline.com/10/9/4/48863194.htm" target="_blank">http://adcache.collectorcartraderonline.com/10/9/4/48863194.htm</a>
As for the "completely gone through" that was his words quoted directly. he said new clutch, motor, and so forth. The car has 120k miles total.
Here is a link to the SC if any would like to check it out. What i would like to know is what car would be smarter to buy for investment reasons. My family will probably have the car for a while. will the sc become a collector car in 10 or so years?
<a href="http://adcache.collectorcartraderonline.com/10/9/4/48863194.htm" target="_blank">http://adcache.collectorcartraderonline.com/10/9/4/48863194.htm</a>
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i dont know about the 911E, so i cant really comment on it, other than everything else i have said about the body.. make sure absolutly solid, have someone look over it inside and out and especially underneath and in every immaginable place water could hide.. check EVERYWHERE. the old 911's are not made of galvanised steel so rust is the biggest issue.
the 911 sc, is one of the greatest and most reliable cars porsche has ever produced. the body is made of galvanised steal i believe so rust is less of a concern (others please chim in if im wrong about that). 190k is nothing from what i hear about sc motors. it is very comon for them to go 300k and beyond.
if your looking for a collector car, the sc is not, most likley will in 20 years or so rather then 10, b/c of how many were made and how damn reliable they are. the 911E is more likely to become one than the sc, but no one looks for an E when looking for a collector car (so far). if you want a cheep collector car, you should have gone with that 69 912 i mentioned in the other post (value of my car has about doubled in less than 5 years if that tells you anything about the rise of its collectability value). the 911E will most likely become 'collectable' (sure its a classic but when i say colletable, i mean have a strong following and a lot of people want them.. ie early 911s, 356, etc.. the really sought after cars).
do you want a car to drive every day or a collector car to drive on sundays? also look at the fact that parts for collector cars are becoming rarer to find (good thing the 69 is lwb, so parts arent too difficult yet). it all depends on your needs, and purpose.
i would be very happy with an sc. then again a 911e is pretty cool too.
damn.. the sc is a targa too! thats a tough decision there. i suggest you look at some previous messages and descusions on the pros and cons of targas. either way its all a matter of opinion and taste. good luck! (make sure you get a full inspection before you buy!)
the cars youre asking about seem to be getting alot better. keep the faith, and keep steering clear from junk, and you'll do fine.
the 911 sc, is one of the greatest and most reliable cars porsche has ever produced. the body is made of galvanised steal i believe so rust is less of a concern (others please chim in if im wrong about that). 190k is nothing from what i hear about sc motors. it is very comon for them to go 300k and beyond.
if your looking for a collector car, the sc is not, most likley will in 20 years or so rather then 10, b/c of how many were made and how damn reliable they are. the 911E is more likely to become one than the sc, but no one looks for an E when looking for a collector car (so far). if you want a cheep collector car, you should have gone with that 69 912 i mentioned in the other post (value of my car has about doubled in less than 5 years if that tells you anything about the rise of its collectability value). the 911E will most likely become 'collectable' (sure its a classic but when i say colletable, i mean have a strong following and a lot of people want them.. ie early 911s, 356, etc.. the really sought after cars).
do you want a car to drive every day or a collector car to drive on sundays? also look at the fact that parts for collector cars are becoming rarer to find (good thing the 69 is lwb, so parts arent too difficult yet). it all depends on your needs, and purpose.
i would be very happy with an sc. then again a 911e is pretty cool too.
damn.. the sc is a targa too! thats a tough decision there. i suggest you look at some previous messages and descusions on the pros and cons of targas. either way its all a matter of opinion and taste. good luck! (make sure you get a full inspection before you buy!)
the cars youre asking about seem to be getting alot better. keep the faith, and keep steering clear from junk, and you'll do fine.
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thanks for the encouragement. mybe im not the stupid jackass most all presumed, or mybe i am?????
anyways thanks for input and keep it coming im going to look at the car tonight so wish it luck. in my family we have almost cleared the house of or Junk(one last ford to sell). this is the situation me and my dad will share the car and it will probably be driven about 100 miles a month so i wouldnt consider it a daily driver.
anyways thanks for input and keep it coming im going to look at the car tonight so wish it luck. in my family we have almost cleared the house of or Junk(one last ford to sell). this is the situation me and my dad will share the car and it will probably be driven about 100 miles a month so i wouldnt consider it a daily driver.
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cool, thats how the 912 is with me. got it 5 years ago when i was 17, dad and i went in halfsies on it.
dont worry i feel like alot of people think im a dumb ***. its all apart of the learning process, and being young and unexperienced with buying cars has alot to do with it too. but your learning and thats the important thing! ive been learning alot over the last few years. besides we dont think your stupid, we just want to help you get the best car you can. youre exactly how i have been through my learning process.. you wanna see everything, pro's and cons of this and that, how about this one, or this one, or even this one.. ITS ALL GOOD!
dont worry i feel like alot of people think im a dumb ***. its all apart of the learning process, and being young and unexperienced with buying cars has alot to do with it too. but your learning and thats the important thing! ive been learning alot over the last few years. besides we dont think your stupid, we just want to help you get the best car you can. youre exactly how i have been through my learning process.. you wanna see everything, pro's and cons of this and that, how about this one, or this one, or even this one.. ITS ALL GOOD!
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</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana,Tahoma,Helvetica">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana,Tahoma,Helvetica">Originally posted by 16jake:
<strong>What i would like to know is what car would be smarter to buy for investment reasons. My family will probably have the car for a while. will the sc become a collector car in 10 or so years?</strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana,Tahoma,Helvetica">The '69E would be much more likely to become a "collector" car than the SC, simply due to the relative number of units produced, but that said, I would never buy ANY car of this ilk as an investment, expecting it to appreciate.
Stocks and bonds are investments, real estate is an investment, cars are a commodity, really, and only the rarest models in original condition can be considered investments, IMHO, and then you don't want to DRIVE them!
If the 911E has a documented rebuilt motor by a competent mechanic and NO RUST, it is easily worth more than the SC, and would be more fun to own and drive, from my personal point of view, but then I am an early car guy and I don't like Targas.
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<strong>What i would like to know is what car would be smarter to buy for investment reasons. My family will probably have the car for a while. will the sc become a collector car in 10 or so years?</strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana,Tahoma,Helvetica">The '69E would be much more likely to become a "collector" car than the SC, simply due to the relative number of units produced, but that said, I would never buy ANY car of this ilk as an investment, expecting it to appreciate.
Stocks and bonds are investments, real estate is an investment, cars are a commodity, really, and only the rarest models in original condition can be considered investments, IMHO, and then you don't want to DRIVE them!
If the 911E has a documented rebuilt motor by a competent mechanic and NO RUST, it is easily worth more than the SC, and would be more fun to own and drive, from my personal point of view, but then I am an early car guy and I don't like Targas.
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</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana,Tahoma,Helvetica">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana,Tahoma,Helvetica">Originally posted by Tom Tweed:
<strong>.. snip.. from my personal point of view, but then I am an early car guy and I don't like Targas.
TT</strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana,Tahoma,Helvetica">Tom,
I agree with most of your post, but you seem to have missed the "fact" that the "fun" is in the Targa <img border="0" title="" alt="[Wink]" src="wink.gif" /> .
I think it should be said that, we are, in many ways, comparing apples and oranges (long noses vs later models) where the only thing that is comparabile is that they are both "a type of fruit".
Like you, I like the early models but then again, they were "the car" to have when I was just beyond getting my driver's license. I just had to wait a bit longer than I thought.
<strong>.. snip.. from my personal point of view, but then I am an early car guy and I don't like Targas.
TT</strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana,Tahoma,Helvetica">Tom,
I agree with most of your post, but you seem to have missed the "fact" that the "fun" is in the Targa <img border="0" title="" alt="[Wink]" src="wink.gif" /> .
I think it should be said that, we are, in many ways, comparing apples and oranges (long noses vs later models) where the only thing that is comparabile is that they are both "a type of fruit".
Like you, I like the early models but then again, they were "the car" to have when I was just beyond getting my driver's license. I just had to wait a bit longer than I thought.
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</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana,Tahoma,Helvetica">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana,Tahoma,Helvetica">Originally posted by HarryD:
I agree with most of your post, but you seem to have missed the "fact" that the "fun" is in the Targa <img border="0" title="" alt="[Wink]" src="wink.gif" /> .</font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana,Tahoma,Helvetica">Oh-oh. Now I will have the Targa guys and the SC World Domination Plotters all over my okole!
I admit the open air feeling is fun in a car sometimes, but I have just always thought that the Targa bar broke up the flowing roof lines of the coupe. The contrast of colors between the body, top and bar often seems busy and distracting to me, too, and I miss the distinctive pillar and quarter window shapes. I'd rather have a cabriolet or a sunroof. To each his own, though. I must admit that the 993 Targa design was a breakthrough, like a giant moonroof without messing up the profile.
When I want that open feeling, I drive this one:
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I agree with most of your post, but you seem to have missed the "fact" that the "fun" is in the Targa <img border="0" title="" alt="[Wink]" src="wink.gif" /> .</font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana,Tahoma,Helvetica">Oh-oh. Now I will have the Targa guys and the SC World Domination Plotters all over my okole!
I admit the open air feeling is fun in a car sometimes, but I have just always thought that the Targa bar broke up the flowing roof lines of the coupe. The contrast of colors between the body, top and bar often seems busy and distracting to me, too, and I miss the distinctive pillar and quarter window shapes. I'd rather have a cabriolet or a sunroof. To each his own, though. I must admit that the 993 Targa design was a breakthrough, like a giant moonroof without messing up the profile.
When I want that open feeling, I drive this one:
<img src="http://members.rennlist.com/tweedt/5351344lg.jpeg" alt=" - " />
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</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana,Tahoma,Helvetica">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana,Tahoma,Helvetica">Originally posted by Tom Tweed:
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Now I will have the Targa guys and the SC World Domination Plotters all over my okole!
</strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana,Tahoma,Helvetica">I would think R-Gruppe would cancel that silliness.
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Now I will have the Targa guys and the SC World Domination Plotters all over my okole!
</strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana,Tahoma,Helvetica">I would think R-Gruppe would cancel that silliness.
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The 911e is a targa and its red too. I also like the looks of the coupe better and prefer silver or anything but red. But im more concerned with everything else on the car. The SC sold the 2nd day so that is out of the picture. Any suggestions on how i could get a ppi when the car is in remote area?
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If your seller is motivated, he may agree to drive the car and meet you at an agreed upon PPI site for the inspection.
I'm the proud owner of a 1969 911E coupe. I love my car and use it as my daily driver. That being said-- these early 911's can quickly and easily go from a $7,000 bargain to a $14,000 investment (or much more) as you repair, restore and update the car.
Good luck with your car search.
I'm the proud owner of a 1969 911E coupe. I love my car and use it as my daily driver. That being said-- these early 911's can quickly and easily go from a $7,000 bargain to a $14,000 investment (or much more) as you repair, restore and update the car.
Good luck with your car search.