Found Negelcted 911...a help with I.D. & Advice?
05-28-2003, 05:40 PM
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Found Negelcted 911...a help with I.D. & Advice?
Kind along, sorry. I'm a 944 guy so I know only bits a pieces about 911's from lurking here.
Found a neglected 911 with whale tail, two flat tires, seemed to be missing right side wind wing glass - I could be wrong (clue to what model year?). Crude sign on big piece of plywood says, For Sale Cheap, Negotiable, Low miles. One model year only classic. Phone number painted on hood (ugh!) in white shoe polish.
Yeah, I know -if he thinks it's so classic why has he negelected it so badly/painted on hood with shoe polish?
Doesn't appear to run, part of air filter housing in passenger footwell. Body straight except for largish dent on right front fender top and front right side valence hit something, dented but not destroyed. Wheels are polished Fuchs, wide in rear, no fender damage, no visible rust even on close inspection from outside. Re-painted at some point, looks like it might have been done right, then neglected. Medium steel blue. Called number, message says "Out of town...car was made only one year...It's a Carerra an '82 or '84". Obviously this person doesn't have clue what they have. I assume it's likely an SC with a tail added or possibly factory tail(?). No badge on rear. Odometer reading starts with "07" I presume 107K miles but 207K? No oil leakage obvious and the car has been sitting there quite a while. Worn out "Falken" tires on rear - does anyone with the money to properly maintain a Porsche run Falkens? Seems like maybe a kid without funds and so he gave up on it when it crapped out. Possibly a relatively minor fix and mucho cosmetics brings her back? Will have my Porsche wrench look it over but year I.D. info about that "one year only" claim - does that have any validity at all? If so, what is it? Yes, I know about buying the newest, best condition you can find. Curious though. Any help appreciated.
P.S. Oops, it's a Sunroof Coupe model.
Found a neglected 911 with whale tail, two flat tires, seemed to be missing right side wind wing glass - I could be wrong (clue to what model year?). Crude sign on big piece of plywood says, For Sale Cheap, Negotiable, Low miles. One model year only classic. Phone number painted on hood (ugh!) in white shoe polish.
Yeah, I know -if he thinks it's so classic why has he negelected it so badly/painted on hood with shoe polish?
Doesn't appear to run, part of air filter housing in passenger footwell. Body straight except for largish dent on right front fender top and front right side valence hit something, dented but not destroyed. Wheels are polished Fuchs, wide in rear, no fender damage, no visible rust even on close inspection from outside. Re-painted at some point, looks like it might have been done right, then neglected. Medium steel blue. Called number, message says "Out of town...car was made only one year...It's a Carerra an '82 or '84". Obviously this person doesn't have clue what they have. I assume it's likely an SC with a tail added or possibly factory tail(?). No badge on rear. Odometer reading starts with "07" I presume 107K miles but 207K? No oil leakage obvious and the car has been sitting there quite a while. Worn out "Falken" tires on rear - does anyone with the money to properly maintain a Porsche run Falkens? Seems like maybe a kid without funds and so he gave up on it when it crapped out. Possibly a relatively minor fix and mucho cosmetics brings her back? Will have my Porsche wrench look it over but year I.D. info about that "one year only" claim - does that have any validity at all? If so, what is it? Yes, I know about buying the newest, best condition you can find. Curious though. Any help appreciated.
P.S. Oops, it's a Sunroof Coupe model.
05-28-2003, 05:49 PM
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Can you find the VIN on the car? Typically you can see it somewhere through the windshield. That would be quite helpful in finding out what it is you are looking at.
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05-28-2003, 05:49 PM
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If you can get the VIN and engine number, that would help ID it. Isn't the VIN visible from the drivers side front windshield? That would be a start.
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05-28-2003, 05:51 PM
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The only 911 I can think of that is truly a "one year" model would be the '72 911. It's the only year Porsche moved the oil tank in front of the rear wheel and had an external oil filler cap.
You seem pretty sure it's an '82-'84ish, but I don't think any of those years had a five digit odometer. i.e. you would know for sure if the car had 200,000 miles because (I believe) the 80's cars had six digit odometers. (Mine did, anyway!) It IS possible it's a '72 with newer body parts fitted. (UGH!)
The VIN would tell a lot. If you can get that, post it and one of us can discipher (?sp)
Now I'm very curious...
You seem pretty sure it's an '82-'84ish, but I don't think any of those years had a five digit odometer. i.e. you would know for sure if the car had 200,000 miles because (I believe) the 80's cars had six digit odometers. (Mine did, anyway!) It IS possible it's a '72 with newer body parts fitted. (UGH!)
The VIN would tell a lot. If you can get that, post it and one of us can discipher (?sp)
Now I'm very curious...
05-28-2003, 06:06 PM
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Thanks for the prompt response. Yeah, I know about '72's. A '72 911S is my dream car! But this is not a '72.
I still think it is an Early Eighties SC. I will stop off after work and find the VIN and post it later.
Where would the engine code be located? Remember, 944 guy so speak s-l-o-w-ly. I'm kidding, just not as familiar with the 911's. I can't open the hood (I don't think) but if I can, where to look? What about gauges, other clues to specific model years? Like what Doug said about the five vs. six digit odo. I'l double check that. Anything else like that?
I own the 911 Buyers Guide but don't have it memorized like you guys do. I already know this person thinks they have something more special than it is. Why else use "classic"? Sure, all 911's are classics in general and more so to non-Porsche owners, but this does not appear to be any real classic. Was the Turbo look option available if really an '82 to '84 and how would you know if factory or aftermarket?
I still think it is an Early Eighties SC. I will stop off after work and find the VIN and post it later.
Where would the engine code be located? Remember, 944 guy so speak s-l-o-w-ly. I'm kidding, just not as familiar with the 911's. I can't open the hood (I don't think) but if I can, where to look? What about gauges, other clues to specific model years? Like what Doug said about the five vs. six digit odo. I'l double check that. Anything else like that?
I own the 911 Buyers Guide but don't have it memorized like you guys do. I already know this person thinks they have something more special than it is. Why else use "classic"? Sure, all 911's are classics in general and more so to non-Porsche owners, but this does not appear to be any real classic. Was the Turbo look option available if really an '82 to '84 and how would you know if factory or aftermarket?
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05-28-2003, 06:28 PM
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Hmmm....
See if this helps....
Wood steering wheel, facia panel - '65/beginning 66;
Guages with center chrome, green numbers...
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And select TECH AREAS from the left menu... Then browse through:
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See if this helps....
Wood steering wheel, facia panel - '65/beginning 66;
Guages with center chrome, green numbers...
Never mind... <img border="0" title="" alt="[Wink]" src="wink.gif" /> Go here:
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And select TECH AREAS from the left menu... Then browse through:
Early 911 FAQ
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Best to you..!
05-28-2003, 10:00 PM
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OH MY GOD!!!!
Stopped on the way home for the VIN per your suggestions. It is a 930!!!!!!!!!!
Here's the VIN: WPOAB0910ES120287
This was on a sort of gold sticker on the driver's door jamb and the numbers spelled out in perforations of the paper. Date of Mfg is 10 83. I assume this means '83 or '84 model year.
72,074 miles!!! on the odo.
I knew something was up because I opened the hood and it was friggin heavy. The interooler was there, not just a sh*t-for-show aftermarket wing.
Some details. Engine appears thoroughly dry, little in the way of oil or grease, no obvious damage of any kind. The black plastic air cleaner cover on the right (looking into engine compartment) has been removed but is in the car. Covered in spider webs and dust but otherwise all there and surprisingly original appearing (under the dust). Engine number (I assume?) was on top of the blower housing dead center top reads 930 106 102.2R Is this cotrrect or just the blower part number? If not, where do I look? If correct, is this the right and original engine? Good/Bad news abut this year model and engine?
Trunk: Space saver spare still there. Battery out of car, some powdered corrosion where battery was but no damage to body panels from it. No evidence of ever being hit/repaired - anywhere. Some stereo eguipment strewn around in there but all there. Interior: Dash dried out and extensively cracked. SOme wires pulled down on right side below dash, but not cut into or anyting. Not sure why it was done. Crap strewn everywhere in there, needs extensive cleaning but seems capable of beng brought back to useable as is until later properly restoring.
My wrench (all excited, I drove over to see him) says if it turns over easily with no signs of distress, no burned valves or holed pistons ,i.e. major damage it should not be too costly to at least get running/useable. I know it would be a long term (lifetime?, I'm 48!) keeper if I can get it and a car that would be costly to own. I will post over on the 930 board asking daily driveability questions, but what do you know about: original cost?, performance figures when properly (stock) tuned? What's it capable of? Could I use it as an occasional daily driver - 24 miles round trip? or too much to expect? Help me out guys, talk me down as I am hyped about getting it.
Stopped on the way home for the VIN per your suggestions. It is a 930!!!!!!!!!!
Here's the VIN: WPOAB0910ES120287
This was on a sort of gold sticker on the driver's door jamb and the numbers spelled out in perforations of the paper. Date of Mfg is 10 83. I assume this means '83 or '84 model year.
72,074 miles!!! on the odo.
I knew something was up because I opened the hood and it was friggin heavy. The interooler was there, not just a sh*t-for-show aftermarket wing.
Some details. Engine appears thoroughly dry, little in the way of oil or grease, no obvious damage of any kind. The black plastic air cleaner cover on the right (looking into engine compartment) has been removed but is in the car. Covered in spider webs and dust but otherwise all there and surprisingly original appearing (under the dust). Engine number (I assume?) was on top of the blower housing dead center top reads 930 106 102.2R Is this cotrrect or just the blower part number? If not, where do I look? If correct, is this the right and original engine? Good/Bad news abut this year model and engine?
Trunk: Space saver spare still there. Battery out of car, some powdered corrosion where battery was but no damage to body panels from it. No evidence of ever being hit/repaired - anywhere. Some stereo eguipment strewn around in there but all there. Interior: Dash dried out and extensively cracked. SOme wires pulled down on right side below dash, but not cut into or anyting. Not sure why it was done. Crap strewn everywhere in there, needs extensive cleaning but seems capable of beng brought back to useable as is until later properly restoring.
My wrench (all excited, I drove over to see him) says if it turns over easily with no signs of distress, no burned valves or holed pistons ,i.e. major damage it should not be too costly to at least get running/useable. I know it would be a long term (lifetime?, I'm 48!) keeper if I can get it and a car that would be costly to own. I will post over on the 930 board asking daily driveability questions, but what do you know about: original cost?, performance figures when properly (stock) tuned? What's it capable of? Could I use it as an occasional daily driver - 24 miles round trip? or too much to expect? Help me out guys, talk me down as I am hyped about getting it.
05-28-2003, 11:56 PM
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Dan,
The 930's from MY80 through to MY86 are gray-market imports. (What DID I do with my "911 Performance Handbook"???)
That's not necessarily a bad thing, but you do have some odd environmental laws in CA that may cause you problems WRT registration.
If it checks out mechanically, you may have a nice find on your hands. And yes, you are correct.... these are fun cars, but don't buy it if you're worried about expensive repairs. My car can readily consume mass quantities of cash if I allow it to! <img border="0" title="" alt="[Eek!]" src="eek.gif" />
Good luck, and we'll see you over in the 930 area!
Toby
The 930's from MY80 through to MY86 are gray-market imports. (What DID I do with my "911 Performance Handbook"???)
That's not necessarily a bad thing, but you do have some odd environmental laws in CA that may cause you problems WRT registration.If it checks out mechanically, you may have a nice find on your hands. And yes, you are correct.... these are fun cars, but don't buy it if you're worried about expensive repairs. My car can readily consume mass quantities of cash if I allow it to! <img border="0" title="" alt="[Eek!]" src="eek.gif" />
Good luck, and we'll see you over in the 930 area!
Toby
05-29-2003, 01:01 AM
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Dan:
The VIN you listed corresponds with a 1984 USA model 3.2 liter normally aspirated Carrera coupe.
Not sure what an intercooler is doing back there...... Insure it's an intercooler and not the A/C condenser that is mounted on 3.2 Carreras on the engine lid. (I don't mean to be rude... ...I've heard of that mistake before) I believe the part number you mentioned above is the fan housing P/N. The engine number will be similar to 64E00001.
I suspect the car has had a rough life. I personally would walk away unless I was looking for a big restoration project. If you can't do most of the work on these types of cars (abused ones) yourself, they will cost you an arm and a leg to get back in decent shape.
Again, if you have deep pockets (you do not state your budget), lots of time, and lots of DIY knowledge, this car might be a nice project. Otherwise, it might be best to move on and find a nicer car that needs much less work, even if this car is priced very low (which we do not know at this point). There is always a lot of stuff on these abused cars that turns up bad long after the seller has cashed your check.
Be cautious and good luck!
Jay
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The VIN you listed corresponds with a 1984 USA model 3.2 liter normally aspirated Carrera coupe.
Not sure what an intercooler is doing back there...... Insure it's an intercooler and not the A/C condenser that is mounted on 3.2 Carreras on the engine lid. (I don't mean to be rude... ...I've heard of that mistake before) I believe the part number you mentioned above is the fan housing P/N. The engine number will be similar to 64E00001.
I suspect the car has had a rough life. I personally would walk away unless I was looking for a big restoration project. If you can't do most of the work on these types of cars (abused ones) yourself, they will cost you an arm and a leg to get back in decent shape.
Again, if you have deep pockets (you do not state your budget), lots of time, and lots of DIY knowledge, this car might be a nice project. Otherwise, it might be best to move on and find a nicer car that needs much less work, even if this car is priced very low (which we do not know at this point). There is always a lot of stuff on these abused cars that turns up bad long after the seller has cashed your check.
Be cautious and good luck!
Jay
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05-29-2003, 02:45 AM
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Jay,
Thanks for the VIN info. Why would the fan reference a 930 part number? Also, I didn't mention it before but there was a yellow Shell sticker on top of the engine with both German and English writing indicating it was filled with Shell lubrication from the factory. It had a 930 part number referenced on it also, but the numbers after 930 were gone as the sticker was partially torn.
Where would I physically find the engine number any way? Also, (stupid question coming up) where is the turbocharger itself located? Unless it is a lot smaller than I expect I didn't know where to look. That thing on the wing doesn't look like any AC condensor I've ever seen, but of course I could be wrong. I'll keep looking into it and let you know what I've found. Will post on the 930 board and see what I get. Thanks again.
If gray market it shouldn't be a problem to register if it has been registered in California up till now, should it? Even if declared out of service for the last year or several, it should be allowed to be registered if it can pass smog, yes?
Thanks for the VIN info. Why would the fan reference a 930 part number? Also, I didn't mention it before but there was a yellow Shell sticker on top of the engine with both German and English writing indicating it was filled with Shell lubrication from the factory. It had a 930 part number referenced on it also, but the numbers after 930 were gone as the sticker was partially torn.
Where would I physically find the engine number any way? Also, (stupid question coming up) where is the turbocharger itself located? Unless it is a lot smaller than I expect I didn't know where to look. That thing on the wing doesn't look like any AC condensor I've ever seen, but of course I could be wrong. I'll keep looking into it and let you know what I've found. Will post on the 930 board and see what I get. Thanks again.
If gray market it shouldn't be a problem to register if it has been registered in California up till now, should it? Even if declared out of service for the last year or several, it should be allowed to be registered if it can pass smog, yes?
05-29-2003, 02:54 AM
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Sounds like a Carrera. The intercooler sits under the lid and does not move with it. 930's also have obvious fender flares, and most importantly, a turbo that you should be able to see.
If it is a grey market 930, you might have trouble with registration and smog if the guy doesn't have the federalization papers when it was imported and converted.
If it is a grey market 930, you might have trouble with registration and smog if the guy doesn't have the federalization papers when it was imported and converted.
05-29-2003, 03:27 AM
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930 was the internal Porsche designation for the engine...not indicative of the Turbo model. For example, the engines on the 84 US Carerras were called Type 930/21...where as the 84 Turbos (rest of world) engines were Type 930/66.
Also...if it was a real non-US turbo, it would have a "93" in the VIN number, not the "91" as Dan indicated this car to have. I looked up that VIN in the Porsche Red Book and it definately is a US Carerra, 1984 model. One of 2,282 produced.
Also...if it was a real non-US turbo, it would have a "93" in the VIN number, not the "91" as Dan indicated this car to have. I looked up that VIN in the Porsche Red Book and it definately is a US Carerra, 1984 model. One of 2,282 produced.
05-29-2003, 11:23 AM
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Okay guys, thanks.
Appears my excitement was not merited. It is apparently a 3.2 Carrera. My 911 Buyer's Guide says '84 was the first year for the 3.2 and also the chain tensioners. Is that correct?
So, what is this car worth as described? If I do the major cosmetic cleanup and get her running successfully, what would it be worth then? I ask because I want some idea if it's worth taking on if I can get it cheap - still no word from the owners though.
Oh, P.S. What is the owner's claim about being "One year only model" about? Is that bogus or valid in any way?
Appears my excitement was not merited. It is apparently a 3.2 Carrera. My 911 Buyer's Guide says '84 was the first year for the 3.2 and also the chain tensioners. Is that correct?
So, what is this car worth as described? If I do the major cosmetic cleanup and get her running successfully, what would it be worth then? I ask because I want some idea if it's worth taking on if I can get it cheap - still no word from the owners though.
Oh, P.S. What is the owner's claim about being "One year only model" about? Is that bogus or valid in any way?