78 vs 82 vs Cost
04-25-2002, 11:24 AM
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Both cars are in PA and used at shows and just not driven much.
You guys are right about the premium for low mileage, I would ruin any investment potential by driving either car (but it would be more fun than loosing money in my 401).
I'm in the Poconos and would drive it about 3,000 miles per season.
It sounds like an offer around 20k would be high for either car but thats what I was considering to see where the owners are at.
I am becomming more intrested in the SC because your posts seem very positive about it (except for the price and head studs).
There is also a 90 C4 Targa in my area, but a post on the 964 list seems to indicate that it ( like these cars) is overpriced.
I'll let you know how the sellers react to my offers. Thanks for all the suggestions.
Tom B.
You guys are right about the premium for low mileage, I would ruin any investment potential by driving either car (but it would be more fun than loosing money in my 401).
I'm in the Poconos and would drive it about 3,000 miles per season.
It sounds like an offer around 20k would be high for either car but thats what I was considering to see where the owners are at.
I am becomming more intrested in the SC because your posts seem very positive about it (except for the price and head studs).
There is also a 90 C4 Targa in my area, but a post on the 964 list seems to indicate that it ( like these cars) is overpriced.
I'll let you know how the sellers react to my offers. Thanks for all the suggestions.
Tom B.
04-25-2002, 03:50 PM
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I'll chime in here for the Carreras. My '87 cost $17k with 72k miles on her. I have a clutch job in my near future, but the engine is in fine condition - leakdown and compression test verify that. I concur with the others, that $25k-$27k for an SC is astronomically high and you could get a perfect Carrera, if not a 964, for that money. If don't like the G50, then get an '86 Carrera. I'd feel better buying a high-miles Carrera with maint. records than and low-miles SC. While there are valve guide and head stud issues with SOME Carreras, the issues with SC's are a matter of when, not if. Maybe the problem-free SC owners just don't post enough on here and Pelican. But when I read "SC" I immediately think "head studs, pop-off valve and tensioners."
04-25-2002, 04:52 PM
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Rick:
Seems to me you feel that the valve guide issue on the 3.2s is greatly exagerated. I know one person in Potomac Region who had worn valve guides and had to do the top end on his motor last winter. It was consuming a quart of oil every 300 miles. What I thought was interesting is that his car is an 88. My Carrera is an 84 with twice the mileage as his and my motor has not been rebuilt yet. It seems as if the valve guide problem occurs with less frequency than alot of people think.
Jack:
I agree with your sentiments. If I had it to do over again, I would buy a 72 911 (I like the external oil filler). When I bought my 911 I did not have a garage to park it in so I was afraid of rust issues. Having driven one on the track (with a trick 2.2) I found the car felt very nimble and it was a blast to drive. Maybe becuase this particular car weighs 750lbs less than my Carrera. Don't get me wrong, I love my 84 and will probably keep it til the wheels and doors fall off, but when, not if, I buy another 911 with track driving in mind, it will be a 72 coupe, unless my dad decides to replace his 964, in which case I will buy that since I get the first crack at it.
Seems to me you feel that the valve guide issue on the 3.2s is greatly exagerated. I know one person in Potomac Region who had worn valve guides and had to do the top end on his motor last winter. It was consuming a quart of oil every 300 miles. What I thought was interesting is that his car is an 88. My Carrera is an 84 with twice the mileage as his and my motor has not been rebuilt yet. It seems as if the valve guide problem occurs with less frequency than alot of people think.
Jack:
I agree with your sentiments. If I had it to do over again, I would buy a 72 911 (I like the external oil filler). When I bought my 911 I did not have a garage to park it in so I was afraid of rust issues. Having driven one on the track (with a trick 2.2) I found the car felt very nimble and it was a blast to drive. Maybe becuase this particular car weighs 750lbs less than my Carrera. Don't get me wrong, I love my 84 and will probably keep it til the wheels and doors fall off, but when, not if, I buy another 911 with track driving in mind, it will be a 72 coupe, unless my dad decides to replace his 964, in which case I will buy that since I get the first crack at it.
04-25-2002, 06:48 PM
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I will go on record here as stating that, in my opinion, those asking prices for the extremely low mileage SCs are not out of line. However, those prices make sense ONLY if they are truly PERFECT, FLAWLESS cars with verifiable mileage -- especially the 11,000 mile '78. How many 11,000 mile SCs are there on the planet? If this car is legitimate, it's a virtually once-in-a-lifetime opportunity. But, it ONLY makes sense to pay that much if you really want an 11,000 perfect, flawless SC. Most of the SCs I've seen that have recently traded for $10,000 to $15,000 are not in "great" condition (at least not in the NY metro area). $15,000 cars can be very, very nice, but a totally original and perfect 11,000 mile car is a totally different item. It is very difficult to place a value on a car like that -- the general market value range just doesn't apply.
My '81 SC has been incredibly reliable. I've had it 8 years, and taken the mileage from 39,000 to 67,000. I updated the tensioners when I bought it and installed a pop-off valve. I assume it doesn't have the rubber-center clutch because I haven't had a problem. The ONLY failure I've experienced was the blower fan for the AC, which was no surprise because it squeaked when I bought the car. It is completely free of squeaks and rattles and looks literally like a new 21-year old car.
TB 88 S4, the SCs you are looking at are POTENTIALLY worth the very high prices because of their extreme rarity IF that is what you want. If you want a car to drive, they're probably not the way to go.
Happy hunting -- there's nothing like a 911. <img src="graemlins/wave.gif" border="0" alt="[byebye]" />
My '81 SC has been incredibly reliable. I've had it 8 years, and taken the mileage from 39,000 to 67,000. I updated the tensioners when I bought it and installed a pop-off valve. I assume it doesn't have the rubber-center clutch because I haven't had a problem. The ONLY failure I've experienced was the blower fan for the AC, which was no surprise because it squeaked when I bought the car. It is completely free of squeaks and rattles and looks literally like a new 21-year old car.
TB 88 S4, the SCs you are looking at are POTENTIALLY worth the very high prices because of their extreme rarity IF that is what you want. If you want a car to drive, they're probably not the way to go.
Happy hunting -- there's nothing like a 911. <img src="graemlins/wave.gif" border="0" alt="[byebye]" />
04-26-2002, 09:42 AM
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Quote from Jack O.
"If you're after power, torque and the G50 -- and you've got 25-30K to spend -- then C2s offer better value and more muscle."
Hmmm, they are also quite a bit heavier too so all that power goes into moving a bigger car around. When you start looking at C2's I feel it's down to whether you want coil over or torsion bar suspension. My Carrera is 2600lbs. wet. C2's are 3000lbs., that's a big difference. C2's and Carrera's are in the same stock class in PCA Racing so it's really down to personal preference in regard to performance.
Cheers, James
"If you're after power, torque and the G50 -- and you've got 25-30K to spend -- then C2s offer better value and more muscle."
Hmmm, they are also quite a bit heavier too so all that power goes into moving a bigger car around. When you start looking at C2's I feel it's down to whether you want coil over or torsion bar suspension. My Carrera is 2600lbs. wet. C2's are 3000lbs., that's a big difference. C2's and Carrera's are in the same stock class in PCA Racing so it's really down to personal preference in regard to performance.
Cheers, James