Best HP increase recommendation
10-01-2010, 02:47 PM
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If you have not already changed the distributor cap, new plugs, new wires if cracked, and new fuel and air filters, then that is a logical MUST DO first step. You'd be surprised what a really good valve adjustment will do for smooth running and good snappy acceleration. Once the car is fully warmed up, then you can go to WOT. If you keep the pedal down past oh....5K maybe(?)...you know that it's in wot map because the injectors will batch fire and you get an amusing huge cloud of blackish smoke out the tail pipe for a split second.
10-01-2010, 03:19 PM
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distributor cap, new plugs, new wires if cracked, and new fuel and air filters, then that is a logical MUST DO first step. You'd be surprised what a really good valve adjustment will do for smooth running and good snappy acceleration.
ironically, those are some of the other items I am about to order from Steve Weiner. and just got my 36 degree screw driver and template to correctly align the rear calipers when I rebuild.
are we having fun!
10-02-2010, 01:26 AM
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talane,
since I see you also have a 928 I suspect you also read the 928 forum. for those who do not, many of those guys have avatars bordering on pornography.
the car pics are great too!
I expect I may get some flaming for my reply as it is a little OT and LONG.
regarding your question. I see you commented you intend to attend DE, so may I suggest you are not asking the correct question.
if you intend to go to DE, I would advise two things, one already mentioned.
first make sure your car is rock solid. a stock 911 is an incredible car. the first 'upgrades' you should make are track brake pads and high temp brake fluid. next I would suggest turbo tie rod ends, a good alignment/corner balance, and 'good' high perf tires. I would suggest you get some track time before moving up to R compound tires.
second, you need a good helmet that fits YOU properly and consider a 'hans' type device. I got the R3 before harnesses as it will work with OEM 3 point. and I now have seats/harnesses/cage.
if you are going to the track, be as safe as you can. get seat time, develop your skills, and then attack performance upgrades based on what it is about the car you want to improve most and budget.
speaking of budget. realize going to the track often is expensive AND will drive up your 'maintenance' costs rapidly. tires, brake pads/rotors, bake fluid flush, etc. I am in the process of finalizing an order with Steve Weiner for all of the above and some more. all part of the sport.
the above comments involve the old adage, "dont do as I did, do as I say." once I started going to DE, I HAD to get better tires, wheels, HP, suspension upgrades to go faster. I was sniveling to an instructor several years ago I needed better <everything>. his reply was "your car is not the problem, you are the problem. first learn to drive." it turned out he is right.
and after spending quite a bit of $$$ on performance improvements, I finally focused on safety a few years ago. I do hope I never get to test any of it. but as my skills improved, I was driving faster and pushing the car's handling envelope. and seeing a few incidents caused me to realise how important safety is.
I do enjoy and take advantage of the performance upgrades I have made. but as you do pursue upgrades, make sure they accumulate in the correct order. too often we, my self included, go about it in an ad hoc manner.
in addition to reading this and other forums, start working with a supplier who really knows the track environement and 911s. let them get to know you and help you determine and execute a plan, based on your driving skills. asking questions on forums will get all kinds of responses, including my extended diatribe.
a DE instructor I have come to appreciate consistently explains to students that you can throw a lot of $$ into your car to go faster, or you can learn to drive your car to its limits. as your skills approach the limits of your car, then make improvements that are compatible with your skills and the next step you want to master.
as you read these posts, you may notice the suggestions treat 'performance' in a broad scope than just added HP. acceleration, braking, and handling are all components to a multi-variable equation. and keeping the changes in balance is also very important to the 'safety' quotient.
all of the ideas in this thread are worthy suggestions. best of luck, enjoy, and be safe.
since I see you also have a 928 I suspect you also read the 928 forum. for those who do not, many of those guys have avatars bordering on pornography.
the car pics are great too!
I expect I may get some flaming for my reply as it is a little OT and LONG.
regarding your question. I see you commented you intend to attend DE, so may I suggest you are not asking the correct question.
if you intend to go to DE, I would advise two things, one already mentioned.
first make sure your car is rock solid. a stock 911 is an incredible car. the first 'upgrades' you should make are track brake pads and high temp brake fluid. next I would suggest turbo tie rod ends, a good alignment/corner balance, and 'good' high perf tires. I would suggest you get some track time before moving up to R compound tires.
second, you need a good helmet that fits YOU properly and consider a 'hans' type device. I got the R3 before harnesses as it will work with OEM 3 point. and I now have seats/harnesses/cage.
if you are going to the track, be as safe as you can. get seat time, develop your skills, and then attack performance upgrades based on what it is about the car you want to improve most and budget.
speaking of budget. realize going to the track often is expensive AND will drive up your 'maintenance' costs rapidly. tires, brake pads/rotors, bake fluid flush, etc. I am in the process of finalizing an order with Steve Weiner for all of the above and some more. all part of the sport.
the above comments involve the old adage, "dont do as I did, do as I say." once I started going to DE, I HAD to get better tires, wheels, HP, suspension upgrades to go faster. I was sniveling to an instructor several years ago I needed better <everything>. his reply was "your car is not the problem, you are the problem. first learn to drive." it turned out he is right.
and after spending quite a bit of $$$ on performance improvements, I finally focused on safety a few years ago. I do hope I never get to test any of it. but as my skills improved, I was driving faster and pushing the car's handling envelope. and seeing a few incidents caused me to realise how important safety is.
I do enjoy and take advantage of the performance upgrades I have made. but as you do pursue upgrades, make sure they accumulate in the correct order. too often we, my self included, go about it in an ad hoc manner.
in addition to reading this and other forums, start working with a supplier who really knows the track environement and 911s. let them get to know you and help you determine and execute a plan, based on your driving skills. asking questions on forums will get all kinds of responses, including my extended diatribe.
a DE instructor I have come to appreciate consistently explains to students that you can throw a lot of $$ into your car to go faster, or you can learn to drive your car to its limits. as your skills approach the limits of your car, then make improvements that are compatible with your skills and the next step you want to master.
as you read these posts, you may notice the suggestions treat 'performance' in a broad scope than just added HP. acceleration, braking, and handling are all components to a multi-variable equation. and keeping the changes in balance is also very important to the 'safety' quotient.
all of the ideas in this thread are worthy suggestions. best of luck, enjoy, and be safe.
10-02-2010, 11:30 AM
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+1 for that... as I get more DE's under my belt I am finding that I am now driving the 86 around a couple corners AS FAST as my 996 - differance is the 86 is bone stock with tired suspenssion and lower grade tires and the 996 was better tires and much improved suspession (mods) plus ~100 more HP -
there are a couple where I think I might be faster in the 86 but with a digital spedometer I knew exactly the speed in the 996 and with this car its "roughly" - still ithink I can push the stock set up even farther with no real problem - I just drive a totally new way after being taught (and un-learning my old habits)
That said, I am not asking to be moved to the fastest run group to run flat out, at night, in the rain
there are a couple where I think I might be faster in the 86 but with a digital spedometer I knew exactly the speed in the 996 and with this car its "roughly" - still ithink I can push the stock set up even farther with no real problem - I just drive a totally new way after being taught (and un-learning my old habits)
That said, I am not asking to be moved to the fastest run group to run flat out, at night, in the rain
10-02-2010, 10:10 PM
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10-03-2010, 11:23 AM
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I just drive a totally new way after being taught (and un-learning my old habits)
as Yoda said, "you must unlearn what you have learned" and that is not as easy as it sounds, old/incorrect habits die hard.
the other issue with the older 911s is NO computer assist. no abs, traction control, stability control, etc .etc. just raw, unfiltered experience. I love it!
