View Poll Results: Is it "OK" to teach manual trans in a 911 w/915?
Yes, GREAT idea (so long as the clutch/gearbox cost isn't a factor)
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Great idea REGARDLESS of clutch/gearbox cost. DO IT! DO IT NOW!
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NO F' in WAY! NO. NOT EVER!
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OTHER - Please explain.
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To teach stick in a 911 or to NOT teach stick in a 911...
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General Yeager's admonition comes to mind: "Don't look for trouble!"
Our teenager learned in an automatic from an instructer, and then I taught her stick in a Golf diesel. I think it has the best motor / transmission combination for teaching, because you can walk it off the line with no throttle input, and the transmission is bomb proof. So the kids aren't under any pressure.
She now drives my 993 with aplomb, but not unaccompanied, of course.![Big Grin](https://rennlist.com/forums/images/smilies/biggrin.gif)
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Our teenager learned in an automatic from an instructer, and then I taught her stick in a Golf diesel. I think it has the best motor / transmission combination for teaching, because you can walk it off the line with no throttle input, and the transmission is bomb proof. So the kids aren't under any pressure.
She now drives my 993 with aplomb, but not unaccompanied, of course.
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I say let the kid learn in the 911.
I learned to drive a stick in a rear-engined '68 VW Squareback. My father threw me the keys one day when I was around 14 yrs old. Our house out in the boonies had a driveway about 100 yards long, so I simultaneously learned how to feather clutch and how to maneuver in reverse by repeated back and forths up long driveway. Great memory that.
I learned to drive a stick in a rear-engined '68 VW Squareback. My father threw me the keys one day when I was around 14 yrs old. Our house out in the boonies had a driveway about 100 yards long, so I simultaneously learned how to feather clutch and how to maneuver in reverse by repeated back and forths up long driveway. Great memory that.
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+1 for teaching in the 911. My buddy learned stick in his dad's 930. C'mon people, its not that big of a deal. If the kid is a total mess and can't get it together and you're worried about the car, you can just stop him and end the training session.
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Depends how much you worry about your Porsche. I learned on a forklift and the first time I drove stick in a car was a used Bug with a salesman in it. I recently taught my niece. I started her in my VW Jetta TDI wagon and then moved her up. I don't think my heart could have taken her first half hour in my Porsche.
I can actually make the car go though all five gears without touching the accelerator at all.
I wouldn't want to teach someone in my 911.
Rather do it in a rental. (or the Jetta)
I would also go through a lesson that covers mechanically just how the clutch works. It was a great help for me to be able to visualize what was happening when I let off the pedal.
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I will chime in here. You say you hardly drive the car and this will motivate you to get it on the road. You say you are planning to replace the clutch & gearbox at your next service anyway. Given those two things, I don't see a down side. It will get your car out of the garage, and give a young driver an incredible experience and a useful skill. JUST DO IT
And also, make a video and post it for us to see!
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I wouldn't due to the added wear, and the resultant cost of the ultimate repairing needed at some point.
We all know that 915's need to have a little special attention when shifting. I probably couldn't stand sitting next to him with the inevitable missed shifts or slipping of clutch. Use it as a reward when he shows proficiency in something else.
We all know that 915's need to have a little special attention when shifting. I probably couldn't stand sitting next to him with the inevitable missed shifts or slipping of clutch. Use it as a reward when he shows proficiency in something else.
I must say, it's a bit depressing to hear how many young kids and even adults these days that can't operate a three pedal car. It's especially depressing to see a kid in a highly modified Civic leave a light with exhaust, lowered etc only to hear the automatic shift from 1st to second.
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Am I supposed to be rev-matching?
I mean, I've just naturally started trying to do this, but I didn't know I was supposed to. :-/
I like the rent-a-mazda idea, til he gets the idea down, then he'll be less in clined to stress the 911, and appreciate the experience of the thing all the more.
Quite a kindness you're extending to the kid.
Putting this situation aside, would I ever teach someone on my 911? Only if she is sure to be worth it!
Brent
I mean, I've just naturally started trying to do this, but I didn't know I was supposed to. :-/
I like the rent-a-mazda idea, til he gets the idea down, then he'll be less in clined to stress the 911, and appreciate the experience of the thing all the more.
Quite a kindness you're extending to the kid.
Putting this situation aside, would I ever teach someone on my 911? Only if she is sure to be worth it!
Brent
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Rev matching is a natural necessity especially with a 915 and just futher adds fun to the journey. I always matched on downshift and many times on upshift with my old 86. The 87 G50 doesn't need it as much, however, I do it anyway most of the time. Good stuff!
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Great points folks. All of them.
I am planning on getting a new battery this week and then a good cleaning. I think I'll drive it for a week or so to remind myself how great the car is.
Once I get that smile back on my face, I'm sure I'll feel the need to share it.
I'm not too worried about the car. I mean, I drive it like it is happy to get out of the driveway, so what could he possibly do besides smoke the clutch or nick a couple of gears?
I don't expect him to be learning ont he freeway, or at accelerated speeds, so crashing the car is not that likely.
These cars a re pretty tough, in fact, I think they are probably more robust than many of us imagine.
He'll surely remember learning in a 911 for the rest of his life, and like I said before....
It would probably help my karma a bit to give something with little or nothing expected in return.
I think it's a "GO" for '911.101'.
I'll keep you guys posted if anything 'interesting' happens.
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I am planning on getting a new battery this week and then a good cleaning. I think I'll drive it for a week or so to remind myself how great the car is.
Once I get that smile back on my face, I'm sure I'll feel the need to share it.
I'm not too worried about the car. I mean, I drive it like it is happy to get out of the driveway, so what could he possibly do besides smoke the clutch or nick a couple of gears?
I don't expect him to be learning ont he freeway, or at accelerated speeds, so crashing the car is not that likely.
These cars a re pretty tough, in fact, I think they are probably more robust than many of us imagine.
He'll surely remember learning in a 911 for the rest of his life, and like I said before....
It would probably help my karma a bit to give something with little or nothing expected in return.
I think it's a "GO" for '911.101'.
I'll keep you guys posted if anything 'interesting' happens.
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Um, most 915's are suffering from some wear. A couple of good grinds could put one over the top, and then the slope gets steep quickly.
Search what it costs now to rebuild a tranny correctly, and you'll see how big a deal it can be. You can buy a nice beater with a stick for a lot less $ than a 911 trans rebuild to teach the young ones on. Then, as I stated earlier give 'em a treat and then let him drive the 911.
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Ed, while I completely agree that a couple of bad grinding incidents might be enough to be the last ones before a rebuild.... I suggest that a gearbox of this nature was going to need a rebuild anyway, thus the impact is NO different in cost, just timing.
Don't get me wrong, I know a new clutch/gearbox rebuild is in my future. (regardless!)
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Don't get me wrong, I know a new clutch/gearbox rebuild is in my future. (regardless!)
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You know, I was originally thinking "no effing way", however I thought of it from a different angle: Teaching him on your 911 could possibly have a dramatic influence on him, and create a new Porsche fan. Maybe it'll stick with him, and down the road he'll be that guy to save a 45 year old SC and restore it. Just a thought. I gave a neighborhood kid (about 10 years old) a ride in my car for that reason.