red67

my 69T has flat fuchs on. but isn't this wrong?
i cant find out where and when the manufacture dates for deep/flat wheels was. think it's 71.
does anyone know and know why they changed to flat?

Edgy01

I don't understand what you mean by flat wheels? Are you referring to the forged wheels that are nearly a flat plate toward the outside? Those were first seen on the 928S and then adopted for late 911s around 1989-90 when they went to the 964.

The characteristic windmill shape of the Fuchs alloy wheel started in 1967 and ended around 1989 with the end of the 3.2 litre Carrera.

red67

no i'm referring to flat fuchs vs. deep fuchs. i have 67 car with deep fuchs and a 69 car with flat fuchs. deeps where on early s cars and around 71-ish i think they changed the design to flat fuchs.

edit:
...hold on i answered my own question when trying to google an image for you...
dont understand french but i can see they changed in feb 71 here...
http://images.google.dk/imgres?imgur...%3Dda%26sa%3DN

ked

He's refering to "deep" vs "flat" Fuchs... the deep design has the spokes joining the rim deeper into the wheel-rim's center. here's a link to a Pelican thread w/ photos of the deep style. http://forums.pelicanparts.com/showt...deep+six+fuchs
(& Dan, I remain VERY PLEASED w/ the 7s & 8s I got from you - thanks again & HNY!)

red, sorry I don't know the date of the change, but I suspect Bill Verberg would - if he doesn't show up here, check Pelican. maybe an early 911 concours judge would know...

84turbolook

they changed in 71 or 72
the earliest flat style 6" wheels (that take the late cap) i have seen are dated in mid 1972.

there are some flat type wheels that take the early style clip on cap but all of these i have seen are dated 71 or 72

Amber Gramps

Red67, what do you have as a spare tire. Or, are all 5 wheels the same? that may tell more of the story. If they were switched, they may not have thought to do the spare too. just a guess.

red67

thanks guys. good to know about bill verburg. I must direct him here.
below is pics from the cars history labelled. i spoke to the first owner and he never changed the wheels throughout his ownership from 1969 until he sold it in 1999.
but they are flats now including the spare. its hard to tell but they look like flats in the old pics but they MUST be deeps accordiing to deep manufacture dates and first owner info.
so i guess i should get me *** up to the garage and check all the numbers. they must have been changed in its restoration in 2004 to flat fuchs? i dont know why though.
(its also funny with the porsche side script below too - repros arent quite 100% spot on.)




ps do check out this link... same as the above link i posted. it's interesting to see... maybe a french speaking rennlister can translate it for us?
http://www.flat4ever.com/showthread.php?t=30811

red67

here's the spare i shot today...
i have no idea what year this equates to...

ked

that's a "late" 6x15 w/ 36mm offset. It is possible (given production / supply issues) your car could have been built w/ either type. There may be no way to know w/ absolute certainty (dealers would even swap wheels & tires from car to car on the lot...).

robo356

Post your question on "www.early911sregistry.org" to get the answer. That site has some real experts on wheels. I believe the change to flat occurred in early 71.

Rob

Amber Gramps

I'm still not seeing the change from one picture to the next except for the painting of the crests in the center cap. what make you think they are different?

red67

thanks again chaps. good to have you out there.
i posted on early 911s registry. seems they are definately replacements thats a shame.
but they are top condition so i find it difficult to warrant changing at least before they are due a refurbishment.

douglas if you click my french web links in my posts above - this picture below from the site is a date determiner. and it seems impossible my 69 had flats... it seems teh number also above confirms it. its really hard to see in the pictures and i have so much trouble myself. its easier and more obvious to see in real life and light.

robo356

Another thought. Check the manufacture date of the wheels that are on the car. The dates are stamped on the inside of the wheel on the approximately 3/8 inch ridge that forms a circle approximately 6 inches in diameter that passes through the lug holes. The stamping is rather crude, looking like they were done manually using individual stamps. The date will show as: 1069 for Oct 69 or 569 for May 69.

Rob

robo356

Sorry, your car is a 69 so if the wheels are original, they be dated late 68 or early 69.

Rob

Edgy01

I'm with you now. I suspect also the offset has changed at the same time. I have a very early Fuchs that is fairly deep compared to your "flat" Fuchs. I think those were replaced in about 1969.