Mike Kast

Here's one I'm pondering looking at this weekend.
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1982 911SC (Carrera euro), guards red, whale-tail, Fuchs alloys, Pirellis, K&N, SSI pre-74 stainless steel exhaust system, Pop-off valve, Carrera chain tensioners, sheepskins, Blaupunkt CD, pwr windows, pwr mirrors, cruise control, euro interior (US gauges), looks and runs great, clean CARFAX report, documented conversion to US spec 1985, Porsche club valuation certificate, M5 on the way!
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OK Guys! What is pre-74 stainless steel exhaust system? And, are there any other obvious questions jumping out at you that I might ask?oh...and what is an M5?
I hope I'm not abusing my rennlist question asking privileges... <img src="graemlins/icon107.gif" border="0" alt="[icon107]" />

Bill Gregory

Mike,

Questions are welcome!! SSI's are stainless copies of the earlier heat exchangers. They are works of art, strong, good to have. Stainless doesn't rust, either.

As a European import conversion, ask to see the DOT and EPA compliance papers. If the whale tail is a Turbo tail, it's not original (which may be OK), but you would also want the rubber front valance extension on the car, so the handling is balanced at speed [sometimes people use the term "whale tail" for any type of tail]. If the front rubber valance isn't there, it can be added for not alot of bucks. Sheepskins, I'd look at the condition of the leather seats underneath. M5 is a BMW.

1982 Euro coupes have chassis numbers wpozzz91zcs100001-3307 and engine numbers 63c0001 and up. 1982 Euro targas have chassis numbers wpozzz91zcs140001-1737 and same engine number sequence. Engine number is on a vertical boss to the right of the engine fan, at the base of the fan housing.

JBH

Well it's a Euro so the price should be lower than US. The Euro is quicker as it had less restrictive modifications made to meet US emission requirements. If your state requires emission testing, you might look elsewhere.

Pre-74 exhaust system refers to a freeflow system that supposably improves performance and sound. Stainless is great and SSI is a top manufacturer of these systems so everything there looks good.

The owner updated to Carrera tensioners, but check it out just to make sure the lines are there and connected correctly.

US gauges means the mileage is likely incorrect and you really have no idea how many miles were on the car when the speedo was changed. Carfax won't help you here.

This is where you get the speech about getting a pre-purchase inspection to ensure the body, mechanicals and suspension are all as they should be. A leakdown/compression test will say a lot about the health of the engine.

Look under those sheepskins too.

An M5 is the hottest four door sedan made - it's a BMW.

Mike Kast

Why should a euro be cheaper? He's asking $15,000.00
Here's the car
<a href="http://www.autotrader.com/findacar/vdetail.jtmpl?car_id=92006836&dealer_id=" target="_blank">http://www.autotrader.com/findacar/vdetail.jtmpl?car_id=92006836&dealer_id=</a>
&make=POR&distance=200&max_price=20000
&model=&advcd_on=n&end_year=2003&min_
price=0&certified=n&address=27523&search_
type=used&advanced=n&start_year=1982&
color=&car_year=1982

Mike Kast

[QUOTE]Originally posted by Mike Kast:
[QB]Why should a euro be cheaper? He's asking $15,000.00
Here's the car
<a href="http://www.autotrader.com/findacar/vdetail.jtmpl?car_id=92006836&dealer_id=&make=POR&distance=200&max_price =20000&model=&advcd_on=n&end_year=2003&min_price=0&certified=n&address=2 7" target="_blank">http://www.autotrader.com/findacar/vdetail.jtmpl?car_id=92006836&dealer_id=&make=POR&distance=200&max_price =20000&model=&advcd_on=n&end_year=2003&min_price=0&certified=n&address=2 7</a> 523&search_type=used&advanced=n&start_year=1982&color=&car_year=1982

Jay H

Mike:

From the grainy picture, it appears that the car has a Turbo style tail and the appropriate front spoiler is fixed to the car as well.

The words "Carrera Euro" in the ad text seem to be a bit confusing. It's definitely an SC due to the year (1982). The Carrera name was used for specific models in '75 and '76 and then re-used starting in MY 1984. Might be nothing to sweat about, but definitely question the owner on that. He/she may not know any better or you may get some wierd story...

I would also agree that you should check under those sheepskins. Either the leather or cloth is near perfect, or the seats might be in poor condition.

Euro cars used to bring about 10-20% less than equivalent US model cars. Usually it was due to the procedures needed to get the cars US certified. Some conversions were not done correctly when the cars were brought over and that seemed to give reason to question Euro cars. Hence, the price reduction. Now that these cars are much older, the Euro price difference isn't that great. Definitely check over those conversion documents carefully.

If the speedo was replaced for a US unit, a knowledgeable owner and a good speedo shop will have documented that replacement.

My brother bought a Euro '83 SC in 1997. It was professionally and correctly converted to meet emmission standards for our strict state. Plus, the speedo conversion was fully documented. His Euro car has never given him any trouble with licensing or emmissions and is an absolute blast due to the lower weight of the typical Euro SC (no sunroof, no A/C, minimal options) and the higher output Euro motor. My point is the car is certainly nothing to be scared about as long as you do your homework.

Best of Luck,
Jay
<a href="http://www.jays911.com" target="_blank">90 964</a>

RANDY P

Steep. Mileage is most likely wrong. Doesn't look like it has a sunroof, and probably doesn't have A/C, seems like it wasn't a popular option there. Dunno about you, but I like the sunroof and A/C (even though mine's removed!)

SSI's are nice, but worst case scenario is $2k to duplicate. Not exactly what I would consider a must - have.

Wouldn't even consider it given the lack of ammenities and unknown mileage of motor. Even if it PPI's perfectly, I'd say $10K MAX. maybe $12k w/ reciept for recent rebuild, and you have sell yourself on the concept of owning a stripper.

Take your time, at that price it's not going anywhere soon.

Here's one that a fellow on Pelican is selling, if you've got the cash, then this is a GREAT DEAL, it's an 88 buy this one-
<a href="http://forums.pelicanparts.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=92791" target="_blank">http://forums.pelicanparts.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=92791</a>


just my $.02

rjp

Bill Gregory

Looking at the picture of the car, it doesn't have the SC fog lamps, so the front valance may have been replaced. Of course if serious you'll have a pre-purchase inspection done. I'd suggest both a mechanical and a body shop inspection.

My two cents, this one smells a bit fishy - be thorough in your evaluation. May work out fine for you, but as Randy mentioned, there are many to be had.

Bryan Moore

A caution about the pre-74 exhaust system. Although these systems are a well-documented performance modification for the SCs - especially when the factory sport muffler is used, as far as I know, all of them eliminate the catalytic converter (standard emission equipment on the SCs). I don't know about the North Carolina emissions test program, but in Maryland, although an SC without a catalytic converter will supposedly pass the sniffer test, it will not pass the visual (looking under the car with a mirror) test. You don't even want to think about the severe penalties for removal of emission equipment in Maryland.

One of the SC guys who lives in my area runs the pre-74 exhaust with the factory sport muffler (a great setup). Every two years he takes it off and puts the stock system (with catalytic converter) back on for the emission test. Seems like a lot of work to me but the sport muffler apparently adds noticeable horsepower and I can vouch for the fact that it sounds great.

Chris Martin

Bryan, isnt the cat the big thing under the engine? "That's how my car came, I dont know much about the mechanic stuff"

Bryan Moore

Chris -

I can only speak for my (unmolested) 1980 SC but I think all SCs have the same configuration. On the SC, the exhaust follows a pretty tortured path when it leaves the cylinders. Looking at the car from the rear, a header goes forward from the exhaust ports on the bottom of the engine and the three headers for each cylinder bank are collected into one pipe for each bank. These two pipes then make a right angle turn to the left (as I recall, the one from the right bank actually goes up an over the transaxle), a right angle turn to the rear, and then come together at the front of the catalytic converter. The converter is mounted longitudinally behind and inboard of the left rear wheel with a heat shield between it an the tire. The outlet of the converter is connected to the left end of the muffler (the "can" just in front of the rear bumper). After rattling around in the muffler for a while, the gasses then exit at the left end of the (stock) muffler. From what I've read, you can change the sound by swapping mufflers but you won't get any measurable performance improvement as long as the gasses still have to go through all that plumbing.

The pre-74 systems are a model of simplicity by comparison. The headers go to the rear (instead of forward) and into the front of the muffler.

If I could get it through the visual emissions inspection (or face the hassle of swapping exhaust systems every two years for teh MD emission test), I'd install SSI pre-74 headers and a factory sport muffler (such a sweet sound!) in a heartbeat.

Chris Martin

I was just kidding with you Bryan. I have SSI's on my SC and havent had a problem yet, knock on wood!. As long as the car passes the test you *shouldnt* have a problem. With that said, I have been known to be a little picky on who tests the car. During the last test I was the one in the drivers seat during the test. Most of the guys that work at the inspection stations dont want to screw up yor car and are nice to work with.

real550A

Just a minor query...don't ROW SC's of that vintage normally have the side marker lights?

RANDY P

Mike,

You got a PM

thanks

rjp