Tippy

I was curious about how much an early '70s RSR clone goes for price wise.

I want one that is hovering around the low 2000lb range and using a Carrera 3.2, 964, or 993 engine.

Are they all widebodies? If all are not, I dont want a narrow body.

I would preferably want one around the 300hp mark (I know this very expensive).

Excellence has giving me a huge interest in these cars and I am very curious how much these cars bring. I am about to sell my 996 and I am trying to get a feel for some of the specialty cars pricing I want.

TIA Cory

JackOlsen

It's easy to talk about pricing for stock 911s because when we say 'stock' we all know what we're talking about. The problem with a term like RSR Clone is that there are dozens of very different cars that would still reasonably fit into the category -- you could easily go from $6K to well over $100K for cars that would look pretty much the same when you set them next to each other. On the high side of the pricing continuum, you'd have seriously prepped track cars and the scrupulously faithful reproductions. A faithful reproduction wouldn't have a later model's motor in it; it'll have as many period correct race parts on it as the owner could find. This won't necessarily make it faster around the track than a car with more updated parts, but it will slay 'em at the old timer or R Gruppe car show. On the cheap end of the scale, you'll find basically stock cars that have been flared out to look like the RSR. Cheap wide wheels or spacers can fill out the flares of a car that might be worth significantly less if the owner had simply kept it stock.

There are also different RSRs to use as the visual reference point for clones. There was a 2.8 RSR, which was made in 1973 and had the long hood and horn grilles. Then when the 911 got impact bumpers, the race models followed suit. The widest-flared RSR was the 3.0, which had the impact-bumper car's basic looks and short hood, but massive 11- and 13-inch flares -- surpassing the previous 2.8's Turbo-size 9- and 11-inch flares.

Speaking very broadly, a well-prepped 2.8 or 3.0 clone with a 993 motor in it will cost about 70-80K to build, and might sell second-hand for half of that. But there are some (like the green Eade Hopkinson car that was features a few months back) that probably cost well north of 100K to build, and would accordingly hold a higher value if he decided to sell it. The best bang for the buck would probably come with a 3.2 in an early tub or a backdated Carrera with a fiberglass early body kit and improved suspension and brakes.

Mine is loosely a 2.8 clone, although I have a 964 motor and other more-modern suspension parts. I have no idea what a fair price for mine would be. But I would never consider selling it.

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Are you looking for a weekend street car, a track car, a show car? There are lots of different paths to follow.

butzip

Jack,
I would agree with your 'never sell' philosophy. My friend, you've got the sweetest ride on the planet. You couldn't ask for more. Enjoy it and though there are many many tasty porsches out there, resist the tempation to sell and simply add to your collection.

Tippy

Excellent write-up! Jack, your car is one of a few that has made me want one.

Like I originally posted, I want a super light (around 2000lbs), high hp (around 300 hp) clone without accordians and preferably a long nose.

This is all I want. I dont want or afford a high revving 2.8, although really nice, Id rather have a 3.2 or newer motor to later turbocharge.

Oh, and solid white or silver would be nice.

Amber Gramps

there is a white all metal wide body coupe from the mid '70's with a 3.2 out here at a dealership. it has been in his family for 15 years and is stunning. it has a $20,000 price tag, but I don't think he really wants to sell it. no smog, no extras, just a smokin' hot car. why didn't I take it? well, wanted a cabriolet and wanted bone stock. if I wanted a race car, that would sooooo be the car.

douglas

'88 911 cab ven blue met

Tippy

Too bad I am not nearby, sounds good

Amber Gramps

I'll go take a couple pictures and find out the year of both body and engine. the owner runs the best all around speed and body shop in our town. he always has 5-6 porsches and 20-30 other cars in the shop. one porsche he owns, if i remember corectly is orange on copper, or copper on rust. very cool. all his white one need to be an RS is a nice decal on the side and your in.

i'll check it out,

douglas

'88 911 cab ven blue met

p.s. i even recal it being a G50...could be fun

Amber Gramps

come on tippy, I found that coupe for brent last week....he was voted coolest dad ever by his kids....

pu911rsr

If you want I turbo motor you might want to consider taking a 930 and backdating it to a RSR. This will require a new set of front fenders and bumpers. You get the motor and big brakes and body, you need to remove some weight but a very base for a hot rod.
Phil

Porschefile

The thing is, he really isn't wanting a CIS car and it seems that most of the 930's that come up for sale with an EFI conversion are well over say $35k or so.

Steve Weiner-Rennsport Systems

Cory:

Jack REALLY gave you some good information.

We have done a good number of these and given the huge number of variables present in such projects, I always ask prospective customers what their budget is as thats the main determining factor about the final result.

Tippy

Exactly

Tippy

What I would ideally want is a STREET car that only needs to be durable enough for the occasional auto-x, no real track time, although it would be a plus.

I am looking for a turnkey, not a project, a project for me is for a later time in my life once I am out of school.

The whole losing A/C and heat is the biggest hurdle for me right now on pulling the trigger on one.

Acceleration (from a light weight chassis) and the race car RSR look is the aspects that really make me want one.

I just want a car that screams I am a bad@$$ when it rolls down the road!

As Porschephile and me have spoke about, I would like to have the Carrera 3.2 because of the cheap turbo kits out there if I want useless and copious amounts of power!

Edward

First off, I will defer to the experts on the subject (see above ). And Jack's car is, indeed, quite a sight in the flesh

That said, given your parameters, turnkey IS what you want if money IS an object to you ...someone else would have put in the time and will thus take that depreciation. To "build" one is really a labor of love --and a question of one's sanity

That said, there is nothing cheap about finding a solid Porsche. A reliable AND fast car isn't going to be cheap. You know the addage: you want fast, inexpensive, and reliable? ...choose only two. As you are still waiting in the wings, do some research. I also think given your wish list, you'd be very hard pressed to find a ca.2000lb clone sporting a 3.6 with ac/heat. From your post it sounds to me like you're more likely looking at a modern car, say Carrera vintage, with the requisite body work ...maybe 2500-2600lb neighborhood (keep in mind I am in pure speculation mode here), but I think you get the point. There *are* limitations here.

Personally, I've seen some good clones out there in the 30-45K mark, as well as some well north of that. But it all depends on what's been done and who's done it. And let me stress the importance of the latter as there are all too many out there with a little knowlege ...and we all know how that can go. And if you are not "in the know," you may have just purchased a very well-polished turd. Caveat emptor, friend. And when you find it, we fully expect you to post pics!


Edward

Tippy

Another excellent write-up! I guess I should of said RSR look-alike and not clone because that means every aspect is accurate to the original. I dont need that nor want to pay for it.

I just want a superlight, decent hp, and RSR look that is tastefully done for a car.

My Father owns a restoration shop and I know the effort it takes to build one, so I know I dont have the time to complete one within a reasonable time span.

I didnt know it would get so complicated to figure pricing on these but of course, the range of work and accuracy has a lot to do with pricing one.

So what do you guys think the BALLPARK cost for a car that has a good Carrera 3.2/964/993 engine and stripped to the bone for lightness with the RSR look? Just some guesstimates.

Remember, decent quality, not showroom concours. TIA