Suspension advise
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Suspension advise
It's time to finish off my suspension.
I'm looking for torsion and sway bars front and back.
86 911 sees maybe 10 track days a year.
Currently have:
Bilstein Sports (I don't want to revalve so I need to match them)
ER Polybronze bushings front and back
Mono-***** front and back
Turbo tie-rods
I'm thinking ER or Smart set-up (dealers feel free to respond)
As I am half way there now, I want to do it right.
Thanks
I'm looking for torsion and sway bars front and back.
86 911 sees maybe 10 track days a year.
Currently have:
Bilstein Sports (I don't want to revalve so I need to match them)
ER Polybronze bushings front and back
Mono-***** front and back
Turbo tie-rods
I'm thinking ER or Smart set-up (dealers feel free to respond)
As I am half way there now, I want to do it right.
Thanks
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Hi:
To match your shocks and provide a suspension setup for what you do, I'd suggest 22mm/29mm Sander Engineering tubular torsion bars.
Depending on what you use for track tires, I use either 20mm or 23mm SR swaybars.
To match your shocks and provide a suspension setup for what you do, I'd suggest 22mm/29mm Sander Engineering tubular torsion bars.
Depending on what you use for track tires, I use either 20mm or 23mm SR swaybars.
Last edited by Steve Weiner-Rennsport Systems; Feb 6, 2007 at 08:41 PM.
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Whatever you choose make sure you don't buy Sway-a-way hollow T-bars! My rear 29mm T-bars cracked from the spine to the mid section during hard cornering and caused my car to spin off the track. Luckily the damage was minimal, I should have bought Sanders or Elephant Racing.
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Rod: I concur with Steve (Hi, Steve!) - your car will be brutal on the street, but wicked on the track!
Steve: Are SR sway bars as nice as Charlie-bars? (I had those on my PCA car and found that they really responded well to small changes, and they never showed fatigue or broke!)
Pete
Steve: Are SR sway bars as nice as Charlie-bars? (I had those on my PCA car and found that they really responded well to small changes, and they never showed fatigue or broke!)
Pete
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Hiya Pete:
Charlie Spira quit making his swaybars 3 years ago so we use, recommend, and sell the Smart Racing ones.
LOL,...Frankly, thats what prompted Craig Watkins to design and produce these things.
Nothing better,...
Charlie Spira quit making his swaybars 3 years ago so we use, recommend, and sell the Smart Racing ones.
LOL,...Frankly, thats what prompted Craig Watkins to design and produce these things.
Nothing better,...
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Thanks!
I was hoping the "Masters" would chime in!
22mm/29mm Sander bars. Is the spring rate the same for all makes?
If I went with ER or Smart would they be as good?
I'm running 16" SO3's now. Track tires and a race seat are on the list. I'm the only one without them right now.
Would I go with front and rear sway bars? Should like the Smarts are the way to go.
Will it be that rough of a ride? I found the Bilstein Sports made it rougher, but the ER polybronze bushing really added to the stiffness.
Stiff is okay. DD in the summer, but only me in it.
Thanks in advance.
Rod
I was hoping the "Masters" would chime in!
22mm/29mm Sander bars. Is the spring rate the same for all makes?
If I went with ER or Smart would they be as good?
I'm running 16" SO3's now. Track tires and a race seat are on the list. I'm the only one without them right now.
Would I go with front and rear sway bars? Should like the Smarts are the way to go.
Will it be that rough of a ride? I found the Bilstein Sports made it rougher, but the ER polybronze bushing really added to the stiffness.
Stiff is okay. DD in the summer, but only me in it.
Thanks in advance.
Rod
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Dang Rod,
You got Both Master Steve and Master Pete to advise you ...you got juice, or what?
I see you eventually went with the ER PB bushes ...cool! And sphericals, too! You are building a real wolf in sheep's clothing there, kudos! You will like 22/29 ...it is a verrry nice setup. I've got 22/31, and even that is not objectionably stiff (on good roads) ...not that I can add anything of substance to what these real P-car guys have recommended! Enjoy!
Edward
You got Both Master Steve and Master Pete to advise you ...you got juice, or what?
I see you eventually went with the ER PB bushes ...cool! And sphericals, too! You are building a real wolf in sheep's clothing there, kudos! You will like 22/29 ...it is a verrry nice setup. I've got 22/31, and even that is not objectionably stiff (on good roads) ...not that I can add anything of substance to what these real P-car guys have recommended! Enjoy!
Edward
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Originally Posted by 911 Rod
Thanks!
I was hoping the "Masters" would chime in!
Rod
I was hoping the "Masters" would chime in!
Rod
Can't imagine who else you were asking to weigh in.
When I did my 84's suspension, I just went up to OEM Turbo Torsiona and Sway
bars because I still wanted it very streetable. But it sounds as if you are trying to keep up with the Jonses on your upgrades.
Track tires and a race seat are on the list. I'm the only one without them right now.
Other than that head the advice of Steve W and Pete.
regards,
Steve
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Advice from "master" Steve and "master" Pete is the nuts!
Can't imagine who else you were asking to weigh in.
When I did my 84's suspension, I just went up to OEM Turbo Torsiona and Sway
bars because I still wanted it very streetable. But it sounds as if you are trying to keep up with the Jonses on your upgrades. Perhaps you like the way one of your friend's cars ride and handle. Then duplicate their setup.
Other than that head the advice of Steve W and Pete.
regards,
Steve
Can't imagine who else you were asking to weigh in.
When I did my 84's suspension, I just went up to OEM Turbo Torsiona and Sway
bars because I still wanted it very streetable. But it sounds as if you are trying to keep up with the Jonses on your upgrades. Perhaps you like the way one of your friend's cars ride and handle. Then duplicate their setup.
Other than that head the advice of Steve W and Pete.
regards,
Steve
I don't like doing things twice. Been there done that.
As far as borrowing a car. It would need to be on a track and I wouldn't ask.
Thanks
Rod
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Originally Posted by 911 Rod
I just want the car to be the best it can be.
I don't like doing things twice. Been there done that.
Rod
I don't like doing things twice. Been there done that.
Rod
Your words are "music to my ears".
That concept is foreign to many people who make decisions solely on the basis of their pocketbooks. I tell prospective clients that "We never have the money to do something right, but we have the money to do it over again".
That MO will ensure success no matter what you do,...
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Originally Posted by Steve Weiner-Rennsport Systems
Hi Rod:
Your words are "music to my ears".
That concept is foreign to many people who make decisions solely on the basis of their pocketbooks. I tell prospective clients that "We never have the money to do something right, but we have the money to do it over again".
That MO will ensure success no matter what you do,...
Your words are "music to my ears".
That concept is foreign to many people who make decisions solely on the basis of their pocketbooks. I tell prospective clients that "We never have the money to do something right, but we have the money to do it over again".
That MO will ensure success no matter what you do,...
When I started shopping for a Porsche, I looked at lesser cars (no offence as all Porsche's are our children) and then I asked myself "Do I want to be the guy sitting at the lights looking over at a car saying "one day"?".
I would really appreciate some more advice on brands of torsion bars and sizes of sway bars.
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Rod
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Hi Rod:
My swaybar advice stands as noted above. I'd need a lot more information about your driving experience and preferences to make specific recommendations,.......
We use, recommend, and sell Sander Engineering tubular torsion bars. Nothing better, IMHO.
My swaybar advice stands as noted above. I'd need a lot more information about your driving experience and preferences to make specific recommendations,.......
We use, recommend, and sell Sander Engineering tubular torsion bars. Nothing better, IMHO.
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Originally Posted by 911 Rod
I just want the car to be the best it can be.
I don't like doing things twice. Been there done that.
As far as borrowing a car. It would need to be on a track and I wouldn't ask.
Thanks
Rod
I don't like doing things twice. Been there done that.
As far as borrowing a car. It would need to be on a track and I wouldn't ask.
Thanks
Rod
regards,
Steve