My SC has been injured!!
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My SC has been injured!!
I was hit by a young woman in a Lancer ES (newly purchesed) across my rear bumper. Ripped it clean off! Looks like minimal damage to the body itself.
The rear of the car may be a little tweaked as the engine cover is slightly mal-aligned. I go for an estimate today. Probably in the $4k-$5 range, I think.
But then they may try to total it especially if the body is twisted
. I will try to upload pics when I get home.
I worried about matching the paint as it is Rosewood a metalic brown with rose highlights.
This just sucks, I had just goten home from Laguna and had a great time there.
I knew things were going too well.
Matt
The rear of the car may be a little tweaked as the engine cover is slightly mal-aligned. I go for an estimate today. Probably in the $4k-$5 range, I think.
But then they may try to total it especially if the body is twisted
. I will try to upload pics when I get home.
I worried about matching the paint as it is Rosewood a metalic brown with rose highlights.
This just sucks, I had just goten home from Laguna and had a great time there.
I knew things were going too well.
Matt
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Matt: Something to consider. An accident of this type often results in damaged/bent frame rails - the part of the frame that encloses the engine bay along its left and right sides. If this damage is not detected there could be serious consequences for you, not the least is finding out about it during a PPI for a possible buyer. When the frame rails are damaged the rubber seal that surrounds the engine (one lip above the shroud, one below the shroud), will no longer sit correctly. I've seen it so bad where you could see the floor below the car by looking into the engine compartment, outboard of the upper valve covers, where the seal is supposed to rest on the shroud. This may seem confusing to you because 99% of first-time-in cars to my shop, cars that already had the engine removed, the engine bay seal was not reinstalled correctly. You have to look carefully to see if the car has moved away from the engine on one side, and moved closer to it on the other. If in doubt, with the engine supported by a floor jack, you can remove the rear, outboard engine mount bolts, the ones with the 19mm wrench size bolt head, and as you pull them up the engine mount cross piece should remain in a way so that the bolts come out relatively smoothly. If there is considerable side pressure on the bolts, to where a pry bar or large screwdriver is need to get them out (and back in!), it's highly likely that you have at least one bent frame rail. Let us know what you find. By the way, the insurance company won't total your car - if they make noise along those lines let them know that you're planning to use your lawyer to negotiate any/all repairs.
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Peter thanks for the info.
The first place I took it to would not say weather or not there was frame damage (I know there is by looking at it). They quoted $1450 to fix it with a used bumper assembly. The estimator said they nomally don't work on car this old but they would as a favor to the insurance company. I will NOT be taking it to them to fix. I then took it to my mechanic (RMG Ent.) and Bob said you can see the buckle on the drivers sidr rear fender. He thinks it will be between $5k and $6k. He said they wiill have to pull the engine to staighten the frame. Tomorrow morning I'm going to take the car to a place that specializes in porsches (Bodystyle) in San jose. This is going to take awhile.
Attached is a pic of the damage
The first place I took it to would not say weather or not there was frame damage (I know there is by looking at it). They quoted $1450 to fix it with a used bumper assembly. The estimator said they nomally don't work on car this old but they would as a favor to the insurance company. I will NOT be taking it to them to fix. I then took it to my mechanic (RMG Ent.) and Bob said you can see the buckle on the drivers sidr rear fender. He thinks it will be between $5k and $6k. He said they wiill have to pull the engine to staighten the frame. Tomorrow morning I'm going to take the car to a place that specializes in porsches (Bodystyle) in San jose. This is going to take awhile.
Attached is a pic of the damage
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Am I correct in assuming that you are driving the car? If so, and there is frame damage, I would give serious consideration to NOT driving it for fear of adding insult to injury on the wheel bearings and drivetrain/suspension.
These things were assembled square, true and aligned for a reason.
The only good thing that I can see now is that you have easy access to the muffler.
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These things were assembled square, true and aligned for a reason.
The only good thing that I can see now is that you have easy access to the muffler.
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Dan/Matt: This kind of damage is classic (unfortunately!) and all of it is behind the rear wheels. It will not affect driveability, and driving the car usually has no impact beyond the already present damage.
Matt, if you feel you need a consult I'll refer you to my friend in Marina Del Rey. He has repaired a large number of 911s damaged like yours, and many that were far worse off. Your info is correct, to do a proper "pull" the engine must be removed. When it goes back in those rear mount bolts must fit without force! Ignore those stupid "we don't usually fix cars that old" comments, it will be quite easy to prove that your car is worth $16K or more...
Pete
Matt, if you feel you need a consult I'll refer you to my friend in Marina Del Rey. He has repaired a large number of 911s damaged like yours, and many that were far worse off. Your info is correct, to do a proper "pull" the engine must be removed. When it goes back in those rear mount bolts must fit without force! Ignore those stupid "we don't usually fix cars that old" comments, it will be quite easy to prove that your car is worth $16K or more...
Pete
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Are you a PCA member? If so, try here...
http://www.pca.org/members/valuation.html
Always a good idea to have this on file before an accident, but I think you can get a proper valuation by describing the condition of the vehicle before the accident.
http://www.pca.org/members/valuation.html
Always a good idea to have this on file before an accident, but I think you can get a proper valuation by describing the condition of the vehicle before the accident.
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My car is an 1981 911SC with 135K miles. PW PL, Clifforn alarm, CD player
updated sway bars (86 carrera) Bilstein shocks, New spring plates
944 turbo calipers with 930 rotors in front,Carrera calpers and rotors in the rear
Engine upgrades- tensioners, pop-off valve
7&9 Fuchs
Carrera oilcooler and fan
930s Steering wheel
Rear Porsche carrear wing painted to match
Euro taillights lens
I figued I list everything. I know some of it doesn't afftect the value.
updated sway bars (86 carrera) Bilstein shocks, New spring plates
944 turbo calipers with 930 rotors in front,Carrera calpers and rotors in the rear
Engine upgrades- tensioners, pop-off valve
7&9 Fuchs
Carrera oilcooler and fan
930s Steering wheel
Rear Porsche carrear wing painted to match
Euro taillights lens
I figued I list everything. I know some of it doesn't afftect the value.
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Sports Car Market Magazine (SCM), is a publication in which I have total trust and confidence. They publish price guides based on their auction tracking and real-world sales of a vast array of different models. Their most recent German Price Guide appears in the November '05 issue, and that list shows the retail range for your car, grouped with other '78-83 coupes, as between $15 - 19K. Those prices reflect a car that is "in very good to near excellent condition..., and assume the car has no stories attached." By your description your car shows care above the ordinary, and if its condition is a strong #2 (significantly above a "daily driver," and one step below regional concours), on a scale of 1 - 6, 1 being the best, you could probably get an appraisal for $18K, or close to it. There will probably be people in this forum who disagree with that number, but I don't. I know the CA market well, and SCs have an almost cult-level following out here. Good cars sell, and bad cars sell for too much! I strongly urge you to get over to B&N, or someplace that carries SCM, and pick up the November issue, it just might come in handy.
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