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Kid seats in a Carrera
I finally found my 911 and wrote the check on Saturday. 
It's an 84 Carerra coupe with 69K miles and in really, really great shape. I can tell by looking that one of the two kid seats I have will not fit in the rear jump seats. I know my brother got a seat from Porsche for his 2002 Cab but does anyone know if something a little more off-the-shelf will work?
It's an 84 Carerra coupe with 69K miles and in really, really great shape. I can tell by looking that one of the two kid seats I have will not fit in the rear jump seats. I know my brother got a seat from Porsche for his 2002 Cab but does anyone know if something a little more off-the-shelf will work?
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I also have an '84, an my 6 year old's seats won't fit at all. I figured:
a) he's six, and when I was six, I was in the back seat of a huge Monte Carlo, with no belts, so he's one up on me there;
b) the back seats in the '84 are perfectly sized for him. I got in back there this week while changing the rear speakers... Not for the claustrophobic;
c) the front seatbacks are only about 3" from his face anyway, so it's not like he's going through the windshield.
Seriously, that's a tight fit back there. A booster seat might work, but a traditional fixed-armrest is going to be tough. You also have the new anchor-point laws in effect / coming soon, which will make that tough too, and it's a moving target - with my son, first it was 4 years / 40 lb, then 6 / 60, now if I understand it, it's 8 / 80 before they're allowed out of a booster here in RI (which is totally absurd, I think - mandate 5-points for kids AND adults if you want to go that far).
Simpson's has no arms to speak of, but is pricey:
http://www.simpsonraceproducts.com/p...4&prod_id=1909
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a) he's six, and when I was six, I was in the back seat of a huge Monte Carlo, with no belts, so he's one up on me there;
b) the back seats in the '84 are perfectly sized for him. I got in back there this week while changing the rear speakers... Not for the claustrophobic;
c) the front seatbacks are only about 3" from his face anyway, so it's not like he's going through the windshield.
Seriously, that's a tight fit back there. A booster seat might work, but a traditional fixed-armrest is going to be tough. You also have the new anchor-point laws in effect / coming soon, which will make that tough too, and it's a moving target - with my son, first it was 4 years / 40 lb, then 6 / 60, now if I understand it, it's 8 / 80 before they're allowed out of a booster here in RI (which is totally absurd, I think - mandate 5-points for kids AND adults if you want to go that far).
Simpson's has no arms to speak of, but is pricey:
http://www.simpsonraceproducts.com/p...4&prod_id=1909
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Thanks Fred. I have a hand-me-down seat that has the same basic profile of the Simpson seat but haven't had time to wrestle with it yet - wish me luck.
I live in New Mexico and the restraint requirements so far aren't as draconian as you describe. My kid is barely 4 and a small fry so I'm stuck dealing with a full seat for now, but I agree with your attitude that we can't make our environment absolutely safe in every circumstance.
I live in New Mexico and the restraint requirements so far aren't as draconian as you describe. My kid is barely 4 and a small fry so I'm stuck dealing with a full seat for now, but I agree with your attitude that we can't make our environment absolutely safe in every circumstance.
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I'm glad this came up because a similiar thread is floating around (I'm new here). I too just bought an '84 carrera. No airbags. Booster seats do not fit. Back in '84 I don't think there was alot of regulation regarding this. The kids fit just fine in the back (6yr and 4yr). I live in IL and wonder if vintage vehicles are exempt from some of the restraint requirements.
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Do a search on Pelican for rear seat belts. The '84s have the top mounting points for the 3 point reel already in place - you just have to remove the rear shelf and cut away some of the sound mat to find them.
You can install 3 point belts and the six year olds will be fine in the back seat.
You can install 3 point belts and the six year olds will be fine in the back seat.
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Three point belts in the rear seats?! OUTSTSANDING!
This is on my list of '84 Coupe mods for sure.
BTW, Excellent choice on the '84!
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This is on my list of '84 Coupe mods for sure.
BTW, Excellent choice on the '84!
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I just put (OK, my mechanic just put) rear shoulder seat belts in my 87 Carrera. I felt pretty stupid when i'd buckle in with a three point belt -- and I'd buckle my son in with the lap belt. Now, my 4 year old is buckled in snugly.
$500 and it was done. Parts are very expensive.
Looks totally stock.
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$500 and it was done. Parts are very expensive.
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I just got off the line with the police dept where I live. Legally,under 8yrs old, the kids have to be in a car seat no matter how old the car is. I think I'll go with the three point belts and just make sure I'm not doing anything to get pulled over for when I have the kids in the car. I'll save that for when I'm on my own.
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If you're ok with booster seats (and using the OE 3-pt belts), try to find the Century Brevura Seats. These have a narrow bottom, and are cheap, but I think may be discontinued. I picked one up new at ToysRUs a couple of years back, then went to look for another just recently ...no dice. But found it on ebay for like 30 bucks. There are also special-fit ones from specialty catalogs (like performance, etc.) but these are pricey (I've seen some in the 200 range). Good luck.
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Here is a bunch of info I've collected from different sources regarding child seats and rear seatbelts:
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I went through a fair amount of thought about how to make the back of my '85 targa safe for my 5 and 7 year olds, turned out it wasn't really that hard to do. I bought 2 rear-seat 3-point belts (out of a 964) from LAPorsche (good guys) and posted a WTB ad for the 964 rear parcel shelf on Rennlist (the shelf comes with seatbelt roses) which was promptly responded to by several people who had converted to racers. Seat belts and shelf in hand, I had a local guy install them. The belt retractors bolt right into the firewall with the addition of steel plates to reinforce the sheet metal, the mounting holes were already there in my '85 (apparently, Porsche started delivering some of the ROW models with rear shoulder belts around that time, so I guess that the mounting holes were included in all models although the US didn't get the rear shoulder belts until '91 or '92; if anyone knows differently, please correct me), and the shelf goes right in with no mods. About an hour and a half of labor, most of the work being to modify the firewall sound mat to fit the plates in. You can also buy the roses alone from Stoddard's ($6.75 each) and mount them in your existing shelf, but then, of course, you are cutting holes in your original shelf; I chose to keep my shelf original, and safely stored away for the day I might want to go back to the stock configuration.
My kids are totally psyched every time we get to go out now, and they love the back seats because they are built to "kid" scale; they feel very proprietary about that part of the car. And I get to remember what it was like for me everytime I got to ride in my dad's '73S as a kid. I'm sure that I am ruining them for life for any sort of "average, normal" car; well, they can wait as long as I did to get their own slice of mechanical heaven!
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I have an '85 Targa and I searched for a long time too for a solution on 3 point belts. I finally found out that all 84+ 911s have the mounting points already installed, even though 3 point belts didn't become standard in the US until 1987 (I heard that they were standard in Switzerland in 1984, so Porsche put the mounts in all 911s rather than have different tooling.)
The mounting points are under the rear deck, under the sound padding. Taking out the rear deck is easy; it is held in place by 4 screws in the vertical part of the deck and a metal 'tongue'. Simply remove the 4 screws and then gently lift the deck up vertically, allowing the 'tongue' to disengage from its mount (it just slips into a slot behind the rear deck.
Once the deck is removed, you should see cut outs in the sound padding. Underneath the cut outs are the mounting points for the belts. Just use a razor knife to cut away the sound padding.
As for belts, I found mine at EASY in Berkeley, CA. They came out of an '88. There is also an outfit called PEP (Performance Engineered Products in Southern California) that sells new belts. Others have used their wares and seem pleased. I think they are $150 per belt. They advertise in Pano - try a search on Pelican for PEP. I called PEP and spoke to them about the installation. If you don't have the mounting holes in the rear deck, you'll have to drill through the sheet metal of the rear deck to anchor them; they sent me copies of their installation manual, which didn't appear too difficult; I ended up going with standard Porsche ones because I wanted to try and make it look as 'factory' as possible.
I ended up buying a second deck in order to see exactly where the holes were for the seatbelts. You'll have to either cut holes in your deck or find a later year deck that has them already cut. (The decks are different for coupes and targas so be careful if you
go looking for another one.)
The mounting of the belts is a snap. Just bolt the reel into the rear deck and then attach the other end of the belt to where the old belts mounted down by the seat. You don't have to replace the receptacle on the other side as they use the same one as the lap belts.
Its worked out great for me - my now 8 year old can be belted in securely in the back when his older sister takes the front seat.
Check out these two threads on rear seat belt intstallations. The second has photos of my car.
http://forums.pelicanparts.com/show...&threadid=99657
http://forums.pelicanparts.com/show...&threadid=91598
Hope this all helps. Don't hesitate to ask if something's not clear.
best,
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You don't need to jump through hoops to get a "Porsche" child seat, or strap your child in with a custom 6-point racing harness.
For 911s with rear shoulder belts / children who need a booster seat, Century makes a couple models that have rounded bases and fit nicely in the 911 rear seat. Century "Breverra" is one. Go to a Toys-R-Us or similar store with a big selection and it'll likely be there. Britax also makes one, I think it is called the "Stariser" or something like that, but its base is a bit squarer and doesn't fit quite as well. I've tried both, we use the Century.
For lap belt / booster seat, you could use the same seats as mentioned above. Lap belts only are not as safe, but the reason is that normally the child is small enough to fold up around the lap belt - their torso doesn't reach the front seatback/dash - causing injury to their spines. In the 911, depending on size of child and position of front seat, the child might be "restrained" by the seatback, in a sense. Still, I would look into adding a three-point belt from a later car - I've heard of people doing this, I don't know the details. Or, use the child seat's harness as well as the car's lap belt - more cumbersome but should prevent the "folding up".
For front-facing child seat (i.e. child needs to use the harness that is built-in to the seat), I've seen a shield-type seat modified to fit nicely in the 911 rear seat by trimming away the corners of the seat base. There was a good thread on the Pelican board - I think the seat was a Costco if that makes the search easier. Alternatively, the Century seats mentioned above are also child seats and might work - although the 911's belts are positioned rather far forward, you might have to place some firm material behind the child seat.
For rear-facing infant seat, there is no solution that fits in the 911 rear seat..
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I searched for a long time too for a solution on 3 point belts. I finally found out that all 84+ 911s have the mounting points already installed, even
though 3 point belts didn't become standard in the US until 1987 (I heard that they were standard in Switzerland in 1984, so Porsche put the mounts in all 911s rather than have different tooling.)
While this doesn't totally apply to your situation, installing 3 point belts might be another (longer term) solution, particularly when you're past the booster seat phase.
The mounting points are under the rear deck, under the sound padding. Taking out the rear deck is easy; it is held in place by 4 screws in the vertical part of the deck and a metal 'tongue'. Simply remove the 4
screws and then gently lift the deck up vertically, allowing the 'tongue' to disengage from its mount (it just slips into a slot behind the rear deck.
Once the deck is removed, you should see cut outs in the sound padding. Underneath the cut outs are the mounting points for the belts. Just use a razor knife to cut away the sound padding.
As for belts, I found mine at my local dismantler (EASY in Berkeley). They came out of an '88. There is also an outfit called PEP (Performance Engineered Products in Southern California) that sells new belts.
Others have used their wares and seem pleased. I think they are $150 per belt. They advertise in Pano - try a search on Pelican for PEP or give me a shout and I can try and find it as well. I don't know exactly how their units mount; I went with the used ones because I wanted to try and make it look as 'factory' as possible.
I ended up buying a second deck in order to see exactly where the holes were for the seatbelts. You'll have to either cut holes in your deck or find a later year deck that has them already cut. (The decks are different for coupes and targas so be careful if you go looking for another one.)
The mounting of the belts is a snap. Just bolt the reel into the rear deck and then attach the other end of the belt to where the old belts mounted down by the seat. You don't have to replace the receptacle on the other side as they use the same one as the lap belts.
Check out these two threads on rear seat belt intstallations. The second has photos of my car (I'm steve911 in the threads).
http://forums.pelicanparts.com/show...&threadid=99657
http://forums.pelicanparts.com/show...&threadid=91598
Hope this all helps. Don't hesitate to ask if something's not clear.
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I had the same constraints put on by my wife when looking for my 911 due to our 3 year old son who was fast outgrowing his regular carseat and ready for a booster seat. Since we alternate dropping off/picking up from daycare, I needed to be able to transport him for at least short distances.
I wanted an 87-89 because of the G50, but found out that '87's only had 2 point belts in the rear. That cut down that MY. The 2 point belts will not work properly with most booster seats and I don't believe them to be safe with a booster seat. The 88's had 3 point rear belts as an option and on '89's they came standard. I ended up with a nice '88 with the 3 point belts in the rear.
I too thought it would be cool to have the Porsche factory child booster seat, and researched it in Germany (I can fortunately speak/read German) and quickly learned that it was made for Porsche by Britax. The regular Britax branded version (called Stariser?) looks identical except for the fancy covering (ours is a blue denim) and sells for about $110 from places like Bergstrom's or Babies-R-Us.
This Britax Stariser booster fits in the back seat perfectly (another thing to consider as some booster seats will be too wide) and my now 4 year old loves it as he thinks it is a "racing" seat. I read on a previous post that one gentlemen said it didn't fit all that great in his car, but on my '88 it fits like a glove and I can rest easy knowing he is as safe as he can be in the car. He loves listening to the howl of the flat-six as much as I do.
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I have seen a couple posts lately asking about childs seats.
The best set-up for a childs seat for the 911. I found a few of these a couple years ago at Walmart. They are made by Cosco, called the pac n go. They strap to the three point belt turning the system to a five point harness. Pretty slick. Their purpose is for travelers who do not want to pack around the big clumsy childs seat on an airplane. Or for grandma to keep in the trunk for emergencies. I think thye also meant it for the 911! I do one better by using a 1.5" webbing cinch strap to hold it super secure -- for the twisties.
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Whoops gave some wrong info. Took this off the seat: Dorel tote-n-go 800-468-0174
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Michael,
We used that seat when our son was small, they work great, and totally portable as you say. Now he's bigger we use the Porsche seat, which has added benefit of cancelling the air bag in 996 cars.
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I only have lap belts in my '84 Cab,any suggestions for that set-up?
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You can order the shoulder belt from Porsche -- your car had that as an option. Otherwise, use the lap belt AND then some 1.5" cinch webbing to use as an extra security measure. I use the webbing anyway just to keep the seat from sliding.
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I have used one of these for my daughter. I went a step further and bought a spare seat back and bolted that sucker to it. You can click on the My 71 link below and see her and my son in the back of my 71. You can usaully find a back for cheap. Check Evilbay.
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Porsche Prince child seat will work with only a lap belt. The seat is suitable for children app. 10-25 kg. I have one for my daughter which I used in my 3.2 with lap belts, and now in my 964 with 3-point. However some of the older Porsche 3-points are to short to reach around the PP-seat, but there are longer belts that can be ordered and fitted.
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Doug, that looks like it should work great. Add a DVD player in there and your set!
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Doesn't Cosco or Graco make the Porsche Prince seat? I am assuming that there is a "princely" premium on the Porsche-branded product.
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Britax makes them...I think. Geez, now I have a bunch of guys on a manly car website talking childseats like a bunch of soccermoms! Whats up with that???
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I went through a fair amount of thought about how to make the back of my '85 targa safe for my 5 and 7 year olds, turned out it wasn't really that hard to do. I bought 2 rear-seat 3-point belts (out of a 964) from LAPorsche (good guys) and posted a WTB ad for the 964 rear parcel shelf on Rennlist (the shelf comes with seatbelt roses) which was promptly responded to by several people who had converted to racers. Seat belts and shelf in hand, I had a local guy install them. The belt retractors bolt right into the firewall with the addition of steel plates to reinforce the sheet metal, the mounting holes were already there in my '85 (apparently, Porsche started delivering some of the ROW models with rear shoulder belts around that time, so I guess that the mounting holes were included in all models although the US didn't get the rear shoulder belts until '91 or '92; if anyone knows differently, please correct me), and the shelf goes right in with no mods. About an hour and a half of labor, most of the work being to modify the firewall sound mat to fit the plates in. You can also buy the roses alone from Stoddard's ($6.75 each) and mount them in your existing shelf, but then, of course, you are cutting holes in your original shelf; I chose to keep my shelf original, and safely stored away for the day I might want to go back to the stock configuration.
My kids are totally psyched every time we get to go out now, and they love the back seats because they are built to "kid" scale; they feel very proprietary about that part of the car. And I get to remember what it was like for me everytime I got to ride in my dad's '73S as a kid. I'm sure that I am ruining them for life for any sort of "average, normal" car; well, they can wait as long as I did to get their own slice of mechanical heaven!
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Dean--
I have an '85 Targa and I searched for a long time too for a solution on 3 point belts. I finally found out that all 84+ 911s have the mounting points already installed, even though 3 point belts didn't become standard in the US until 1987 (I heard that they were standard in Switzerland in 1984, so Porsche put the mounts in all 911s rather than have different tooling.)
The mounting points are under the rear deck, under the sound padding. Taking out the rear deck is easy; it is held in place by 4 screws in the vertical part of the deck and a metal 'tongue'. Simply remove the 4 screws and then gently lift the deck up vertically, allowing the 'tongue' to disengage from its mount (it just slips into a slot behind the rear deck.
Once the deck is removed, you should see cut outs in the sound padding. Underneath the cut outs are the mounting points for the belts. Just use a razor knife to cut away the sound padding.
As for belts, I found mine at EASY in Berkeley, CA. They came out of an '88. There is also an outfit called PEP (Performance Engineered Products in Southern California) that sells new belts. Others have used their wares and seem pleased. I think they are $150 per belt. They advertise in Pano - try a search on Pelican for PEP. I called PEP and spoke to them about the installation. If you don't have the mounting holes in the rear deck, you'll have to drill through the sheet metal of the rear deck to anchor them; they sent me copies of their installation manual, which didn't appear too difficult; I ended up going with standard Porsche ones because I wanted to try and make it look as 'factory' as possible.
I ended up buying a second deck in order to see exactly where the holes were for the seatbelts. You'll have to either cut holes in your deck or find a later year deck that has them already cut. (The decks are different for coupes and targas so be careful if you
go looking for another one.)
The mounting of the belts is a snap. Just bolt the reel into the rear deck and then attach the other end of the belt to where the old belts mounted down by the seat. You don't have to replace the receptacle on the other side as they use the same one as the lap belts.
Its worked out great for me - my now 8 year old can be belted in securely in the back when his older sister takes the front seat.
Check out these two threads on rear seat belt intstallations. The second has photos of my car.
http://forums.pelicanparts.com/show...&threadid=99657
http://forums.pelicanparts.com/show...&threadid=91598
Hope this all helps. Don't hesitate to ask if something's not clear.
best,
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You don't need to jump through hoops to get a "Porsche" child seat, or strap your child in with a custom 6-point racing harness.
For 911s with rear shoulder belts / children who need a booster seat, Century makes a couple models that have rounded bases and fit nicely in the 911 rear seat. Century "Breverra" is one. Go to a Toys-R-Us or similar store with a big selection and it'll likely be there. Britax also makes one, I think it is called the "Stariser" or something like that, but its base is a bit squarer and doesn't fit quite as well. I've tried both, we use the Century.
For lap belt / booster seat, you could use the same seats as mentioned above. Lap belts only are not as safe, but the reason is that normally the child is small enough to fold up around the lap belt - their torso doesn't reach the front seatback/dash - causing injury to their spines. In the 911, depending on size of child and position of front seat, the child might be "restrained" by the seatback, in a sense. Still, I would look into adding a three-point belt from a later car - I've heard of people doing this, I don't know the details. Or, use the child seat's harness as well as the car's lap belt - more cumbersome but should prevent the "folding up".
For front-facing child seat (i.e. child needs to use the harness that is built-in to the seat), I've seen a shield-type seat modified to fit nicely in the 911 rear seat by trimming away the corners of the seat base. There was a good thread on the Pelican board - I think the seat was a Costco if that makes the search easier. Alternatively, the Century seats mentioned above are also child seats and might work - although the 911's belts are positioned rather far forward, you might have to place some firm material behind the child seat.
For rear-facing infant seat, there is no solution that fits in the 911 rear seat..
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I searched for a long time too for a solution on 3 point belts. I finally found out that all 84+ 911s have the mounting points already installed, even
though 3 point belts didn't become standard in the US until 1987 (I heard that they were standard in Switzerland in 1984, so Porsche put the mounts in all 911s rather than have different tooling.)
While this doesn't totally apply to your situation, installing 3 point belts might be another (longer term) solution, particularly when you're past the booster seat phase.
The mounting points are under the rear deck, under the sound padding. Taking out the rear deck is easy; it is held in place by 4 screws in the vertical part of the deck and a metal 'tongue'. Simply remove the 4
screws and then gently lift the deck up vertically, allowing the 'tongue' to disengage from its mount (it just slips into a slot behind the rear deck.
Once the deck is removed, you should see cut outs in the sound padding. Underneath the cut outs are the mounting points for the belts. Just use a razor knife to cut away the sound padding.
As for belts, I found mine at my local dismantler (EASY in Berkeley). They came out of an '88. There is also an outfit called PEP (Performance Engineered Products in Southern California) that sells new belts.
Others have used their wares and seem pleased. I think they are $150 per belt. They advertise in Pano - try a search on Pelican for PEP or give me a shout and I can try and find it as well. I don't know exactly how their units mount; I went with the used ones because I wanted to try and make it look as 'factory' as possible.
I ended up buying a second deck in order to see exactly where the holes were for the seatbelts. You'll have to either cut holes in your deck or find a later year deck that has them already cut. (The decks are different for coupes and targas so be careful if you go looking for another one.)
The mounting of the belts is a snap. Just bolt the reel into the rear deck and then attach the other end of the belt to where the old belts mounted down by the seat. You don't have to replace the receptacle on the other side as they use the same one as the lap belts.
Check out these two threads on rear seat belt intstallations. The second has photos of my car (I'm steve911 in the threads).
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I had the same constraints put on by my wife when looking for my 911 due to our 3 year old son who was fast outgrowing his regular carseat and ready for a booster seat. Since we alternate dropping off/picking up from daycare, I needed to be able to transport him for at least short distances.
I wanted an 87-89 because of the G50, but found out that '87's only had 2 point belts in the rear. That cut down that MY. The 2 point belts will not work properly with most booster seats and I don't believe them to be safe with a booster seat. The 88's had 3 point rear belts as an option and on '89's they came standard. I ended up with a nice '88 with the 3 point belts in the rear.
I too thought it would be cool to have the Porsche factory child booster seat, and researched it in Germany (I can fortunately speak/read German) and quickly learned that it was made for Porsche by Britax. The regular Britax branded version (called Stariser?) looks identical except for the fancy covering (ours is a blue denim) and sells for about $110 from places like Bergstrom's or Babies-R-Us.
This Britax Stariser booster fits in the back seat perfectly (another thing to consider as some booster seats will be too wide) and my now 4 year old loves it as he thinks it is a "racing" seat. I read on a previous post that one gentlemen said it didn't fit all that great in his car, but on my '88 it fits like a glove and I can rest easy knowing he is as safe as he can be in the car. He loves listening to the howl of the flat-six as much as I do.
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I have seen a couple posts lately asking about childs seats.
The best set-up for a childs seat for the 911. I found a few of these a couple years ago at Walmart. They are made by Cosco, called the pac n go. They strap to the three point belt turning the system to a five point harness. Pretty slick. Their purpose is for travelers who do not want to pack around the big clumsy childs seat on an airplane. Or for grandma to keep in the trunk for emergencies. I think thye also meant it for the 911! I do one better by using a 1.5" webbing cinch strap to hold it super secure -- for the twisties.
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Whoops gave some wrong info. Took this off the seat: Dorel tote-n-go 800-468-0174
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Michael,
We used that seat when our son was small, they work great, and totally portable as you say. Now he's bigger we use the Porsche seat, which has added benefit of cancelling the air bag in 996 cars.
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I only have lap belts in my '84 Cab,any suggestions for that set-up?
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You can order the shoulder belt from Porsche -- your car had that as an option. Otherwise, use the lap belt AND then some 1.5" cinch webbing to use as an extra security measure. I use the webbing anyway just to keep the seat from sliding.
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I have used one of these for my daughter. I went a step further and bought a spare seat back and bolted that sucker to it. You can click on the My 71 link below and see her and my son in the back of my 71. You can usaully find a back for cheap. Check Evilbay.
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Porsche Prince child seat will work with only a lap belt. The seat is suitable for children app. 10-25 kg. I have one for my daughter which I used in my 3.2 with lap belts, and now in my 964 with 3-point. However some of the older Porsche 3-points are to short to reach around the PP-seat, but there are longer belts that can be ordered and fitted.
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Doug, that looks like it should work great. Add a DVD player in there and your set!
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Doesn't Cosco or Graco make the Porsche Prince seat? I am assuming that there is a "princely" premium on the Porsche-branded product.
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Britax makes them...I think. Geez, now I have a bunch of guys on a manly car website talking childseats like a bunch of soccermoms! Whats up with that???
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Dean--
I have an '85 Targa and I searched for a long time too for a solution on 3 point belts. I finally found out that all 84+ 911s have the mounting points already installed, even though 3 point belts didn't become standard in the US until 1987 (I heard that they were standard in Switzerland in 1984, so Porsche put the mounts in all 911s rather than have different tooling.)
The mounting points are under the rear deck, under the sound padding. Taking out the rear deck is easy; it is held in place by 4 screws in the vertical part of the deck and a metal 'tongue'. Simply remove the 4 screws and then gently lift the deck up vertically, allowing the 'tongue' to disengage from its mount (it just slips into a slot behind the rear deck.
Once the deck is removed, you should see cut outs in the sound padding. Underneath the cut outs are the mounting points for the belts. Just use a razor knife to cut away the sound padding.
As for belts, I found mine at EASY in Berkeley, CA. They came out of an '88. There is also an outfit called PEP (Performance Engineered Products in Southern California) that sells new belts. Others have used their wares and seem pleased. I think they are $150 per belt. They advertise in Pano - try a search on Pelican for PEP. I called PEP and spoke to them about the installation. If you don't have the mounting holes in the rear deck, you'll have to drill through the sheet metal of the rear deck to anchor them; they sent me copies of their installation manual, which didn't appear too difficult; I ended up going with standard Porsche ones because I wanted to try and make it look as 'factory' as possible.
I ended up buying a second deck in order to see exactly where the holes were for the seatbelts. You'll have to either cut holes in your deck or find a later year deck that has them already cut. (The decks are different for coupes and targas so be careful if you
go looking for another one.)
The mounting of the belts is a snap. Just bolt the reel into the rear deck and then attach the other end of the belt to where the old belts mounted down by the seat. You don't have to replace the receptacle on the other side as they use the same one as the lap belts.
Its worked out great for me - my now 8 year old can be belted in securely in the back when his older sister takes the front seat.
Check out these two threads on rear seat belt intstallations. The second has photos of my car.
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Hope this all helps. Don't hesitate to ask if something's not clear.
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Geez, now I have a bunch of guys on a manly car website talking childseats like a bunch of soccermoms! Whats up with that???
Well, if the husbands of those soccermoms want to stay married or keep their Porsches they need to be able to take the kids with them in the Porsche. I would just like to be able to take my wife and daughter out for ice cream and fun drives in my Targa.
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I really appreciate all of the info. I ordered the tote n' go yesterday, once it arrives I'll see how it fits, and if I think I need the shoulder belts.
Thanks again, sure is nice to have this forum, it eliminates a lot of mistakes and guess work.
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I really appreciate all of the info. I ordered the tote n' go yesterday, once it arrives I'll see how it fits, and if I think I need the shoulder belts.
Thanks again, sure is nice to have this forum, it eliminates a lot of mistakes and guess work.
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O.K. the Tote N Go arrived. It looks like my seat belts are too far forward to properly restrain the seat. Steve, I checked out the photos of your Targa, my rear deck looks totally different.
I also don't think shoulder belts will work with the top down on the car. What i am thinking of doing is mounting some basic seat belts just behind the back of the seat kind of out of sight. I don't see any other way of tightly securing the seat. Anyone have any thoughts or suggestions?
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Well, not sure on a Cab, but the scenario sounds like the same in a coupe or targa. Here is my solution:
1) buckle the left sides in cross (eg left seat belt buckles to right buckle.
2) get cinch-type tie down webbing of 1-1.5 inch and loop around the seat and the car seat then strap down to secure.
This way the seatbelt is truely holding the child and the webbing helps keep it in place in a more upright and secure position during "spirited" driving.
For the older kids (35plus lbs) I use this other method. There is a pad device (see picture) that keeps the shoulder belt positioned correctly then I use a device that helps tighted the seatbelt (blue thingy) This works very well for my 4 year old.
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And the "mighty tite" that keeps the seatbelt from loosening...all available at your local Target.
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I'm sure your technique works and is pretty secure, but if my wife ever sees that photo, my daughter will never feel the joy of riding in a Porsche.You know how moms can be. I do have concerns about relying on the folding seat back for any real security, it feels like I could break it loose with my bare hands. I think if I get down to metal structure behind the seat and bolt a strap or seat belt to it, I'll feel like she's in there pretty good. Thanks for your input, I think I will try the cross-belting idea with the added belt.
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Does the mighty tite work with just a lap belt or does it need the shoulder strap?
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Dean, Buy an seat back off of evil bay and bolt that Tote N Go to it! Yes just drill through the seat back to hole and attatch the TNG. Works for me and my daughter is safe and secure.
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Actually all the webbing is there for is an added safety and to secure the back from shifting. the seatbelt is still going through the back and is the "true" measure of safety. This passed our local safety check here and should not be a problem. I agree that the seat backs are not much in the event of an accident, so relying on JUST the webbing would not pass the muster...
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If you look at the picture of my daughter in my car (click on my car below my sig) you will notice that I also use the after market 3pt belts to help secure the seat. 2 holes drilled with either large flat washers or a metal plate (what I used) on the back side of the seat firmly attaches the TNG to the seat. If you look at the above pic of the TNG in the tan interior you will see when installed it really extends the seat back to the seat bottom. The seat back will no longer flip forward. Especially if bolted. I have my original seat back that I put in when she is not riding with me. It is a 5 min process to remove and do. I took this setup the the local CHP, AAA and Babies R Us and all gave a huge thumbs up for safety. She is probably the safest passenger in the car with this setup.
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I went to Jocko's today and purchased a manual lap belt for $18. I am mounting it behind the fold down seat. It should tuck nicely out of sight when not in use. I'm going to have to drill a couple holes but they are well hidden. Never intended my car for concourse anyway, it's a driver. Thanks to everyone for their input. Never ceases to amaze me how much knowlege is accessable through this group.
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I finished the install about an hour ago. Looks good and is nice and secure. My wife checked it out and she gave it her approval, which is no small feat. Now if I can get my daughter to hold still long enough to get it properly adjusted, I'll be all set.
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I use a Century child seat that has a rounded seat-base and fits in the sharply curved 911 rear seat quite nicely. Various model names, but try searching "Century Breverra". Here's a page: http://products.consumerguide.com/c...ex.cfm/id/22304
When my son was younger I secured him in the seat with the 5-point harness, and then fastened the 911's 3-point belts around him and the seat. Now he just uses the seat as a booster, with the 911's 3-point belts.
I think that's an easier solution than buying extra seat-backs and hog-tying the kid to a backboard. :-)
The official Porsche child seat is made by Britax. So I went to look at the corresponding Britax seats, the "Starriser" or something like that. To my surprise it didn't fit in the 911 very well at all. The seat-base, while narrow, was too square.
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At last ........
After trying for ages I've finally found a child seat that fits well in the back of my '89 Carerra (Wide Body). It's a Britax "Kid" (in Ireland anyway!) and the base actually fits into the seat - nothing else does! It's intended for older kids but I reckon my little buster will be fine in it. Not sure how much he's going to like the head restraint bit though.....
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I have an '85 Targa and I searched for a long time too for a solution on 3 point belts. I finally found out that all 84+ 911s have the mounting points already installed, even though 3 point belts didn't become standard in the US until 1987 (I heard that they were standard in Switzerland in 1984, so Porsche put the mounts in all 911s rather than have different tooling.)
The mounting points are under the rear deck, under the sound padding. Taking out the rear deck is easy; it is held in place by 4 screws in the vertical part of the deck and a metal 'tongue'. Simply remove the 4 screws and then gently lift the deck up vertically, allowing the 'tongue' to disengage from its mount (it just slips into a slot behind the rear deck.
Once the deck is removed, you should see cut outs in the sound padding. Underneath the cut outs are the mounting points for the belts. Just use a razor knife to cut away the sound padding.
As for belts, I found mine at EASY in Berkeley, CA. They came out of an '88. There is also an outfit called PEP (Performance Engineered Products in Southern California) that sells new belts. Others have used their wares and seem pleased. I think they are $150 per belt. They advertise in Pano - try a search on Pelican for PEP. I called PEP and spoke to them about the installation. If you don't have the mounting holes in the rear deck, you'll have to drill through the sheet metal of the rear deck to anchor them; they sent me copies of their installation manual, which didn't appear too difficult; I ended up going with standard Porsche ones because I wanted to try and make it look as 'factory' as possible.
I ended up buying a second deck in order to see exactly where the holes were for the seatbelts. You'll have to either cut holes in your deck or find a later year deck that has them already cut. (The decks are different for coupes and targas so be careful if you
go looking for another one.)
The mounting of the belts is a snap. Just bolt the reel into the rear deck and then attach the other end of the belt to where the old belts mounted down by the seat. You don't have to replace the receptacle on the other side as they use the same one as the lap belts.
Its worked out great for me - my now 8 year old can be belted in securely in the back when his older sister takes the front seat.
Check out these two threads on rear seat belt intstallations. The second has photos of my car.
http://forums.pelicanparts.com/show...&threadid=99657
http://forums.pelicanparts.com/show...&threadid=91598
Hope this all helps. Don't hesitate to ask if something's not clear.
best,
Steve
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Geez, now I have a bunch of guys on a manly car website talking childseats like a bunch of soccermoms! Whats up with that???
Well, if the husbands of those soccermoms want to stay married or keep their Porsches they need to be able to take the kids with them in the Porsche. I would just like to be able to take my wife and daughter out for ice cream and fun drives in my Targa.
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I really appreciate all of the info. I ordered the tote n' go yesterday, once it arrives I'll see how it fits, and if I think I need the shoulder belts.
Thanks again, sure is nice to have this forum, it eliminates a lot of mistakes and guess work.
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I really appreciate all of the info. I ordered the tote n' go yesterday, once it arrives I'll see how it fits, and if I think I need the shoulder belts.
Thanks again, sure is nice to have this forum, it eliminates a lot of mistakes and guess work.
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O.K. the Tote N Go arrived. It looks like my seat belts are too far forward to properly restrain the seat. Steve, I checked out the photos of your Targa, my rear deck looks totally different.
I also don't think shoulder belts will work with the top down on the car. What i am thinking of doing is mounting some basic seat belts just behind the back of the seat kind of out of sight. I don't see any other way of tightly securing the seat. Anyone have any thoughts or suggestions?
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Well, not sure on a Cab, but the scenario sounds like the same in a coupe or targa. Here is my solution:
1) buckle the left sides in cross (eg left seat belt buckles to right buckle.
2) get cinch-type tie down webbing of 1-1.5 inch and loop around the seat and the car seat then strap down to secure.
This way the seatbelt is truely holding the child and the webbing helps keep it in place in a more upright and secure position during "spirited" driving.
For the older kids (35plus lbs) I use this other method. There is a pad device (see picture) that keeps the shoulder belt positioned correctly then I use a device that helps tighted the seatbelt (blue thingy) This works very well for my 4 year old.
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Here is the other way for the older kidos
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And the "mighty tite" that keeps the seatbelt from loosening...all available at your local Target.
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I'm sure your technique works and is pretty secure, but if my wife ever sees that photo, my daughter will never feel the joy of riding in a Porsche.You know how moms can be. I do have concerns about relying on the folding seat back for any real security, it feels like I could break it loose with my bare hands. I think if I get down to metal structure behind the seat and bolt a strap or seat belt to it, I'll feel like she's in there pretty good. Thanks for your input, I think I will try the cross-belting idea with the added belt.
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Does the mighty tite work with just a lap belt or does it need the shoulder strap?
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Dean, Buy an seat back off of evil bay and bolt that Tote N Go to it! Yes just drill through the seat back to hole and attatch the TNG. Works for me and my daughter is safe and secure.
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Actually all the webbing is there for is an added safety and to secure the back from shifting. the seatbelt is still going through the back and is the "true" measure of safety. This passed our local safety check here and should not be a problem. I agree that the seat backs are not much in the event of an accident, so relying on JUST the webbing would not pass the muster...
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If you look at the picture of my daughter in my car (click on my car below my sig) you will notice that I also use the after market 3pt belts to help secure the seat. 2 holes drilled with either large flat washers or a metal plate (what I used) on the back side of the seat firmly attaches the TNG to the seat. If you look at the above pic of the TNG in the tan interior you will see when installed it really extends the seat back to the seat bottom. The seat back will no longer flip forward. Especially if bolted. I have my original seat back that I put in when she is not riding with me. It is a 5 min process to remove and do. I took this setup the the local CHP, AAA and Babies R Us and all gave a huge thumbs up for safety. She is probably the safest passenger in the car with this setup.
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I went to Jocko's today and purchased a manual lap belt for $18. I am mounting it behind the fold down seat. It should tuck nicely out of sight when not in use. I'm going to have to drill a couple holes but they are well hidden. Never intended my car for concourse anyway, it's a driver. Thanks to everyone for their input. Never ceases to amaze me how much knowlege is accessable through this group.
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Let us know how it turns out...
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I finished the install about an hour ago. Looks good and is nice and secure. My wife checked it out and she gave it her approval, which is no small feat. Now if I can get my daughter to hold still long enough to get it properly adjusted, I'll be all set.
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I use a Century child seat that has a rounded seat-base and fits in the sharply curved 911 rear seat quite nicely. Various model names, but try searching "Century Breverra". Here's a page: http://products.consumerguide.com/c...ex.cfm/id/22304
When my son was younger I secured him in the seat with the 5-point harness, and then fastened the 911's 3-point belts around him and the seat. Now he just uses the seat as a booster, with the 911's 3-point belts.
I think that's an easier solution than buying extra seat-backs and hog-tying the kid to a backboard. :-)
The official Porsche child seat is made by Britax. So I went to look at the corresponding Britax seats, the "Starriser" or something like that. To my surprise it didn't fit in the 911 very well at all. The seat-base, while narrow, was too square.
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At last ........
After trying for ages I've finally found a child seat that fits well in the back of my '89 Carerra (Wide Body). It's a Britax "Kid" (in Ireland anyway!) and the base actually fits into the seat - nothing else does! It's intended for older kids but I reckon my little buster will be fine in it. Not sure how much he's going to like the head restraint bit though.....
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I've got a Century Breverra booster seat that we don't use anymore, if anyone is interested. $25 + $18 shipping. It can be used with or without the harnesses.
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Paypal is fine; please send to centercaps@comcast.net. Bank transfers only; I can't accept payments funded with a credit card. I'm going to be gone through New Year's (leaving this AM), so I will have it sent out next week, if that's OK. (I'm guessing that since you're in Chicago, the car isn't on the road all that much at the moment?). Email me with your address.
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Paypal is fine; please send to centercaps@comcast.net. Bank transfers only; I can't accept payments funded with a credit card. I'm going to be gone through New Year's (leaving this AM), so I will have it sent out next week, if that's OK. (I'm guessing that since you're in Chicago, the car isn't on the road all that much at the moment?). Email me with your address.
Happy Holidays
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