Valuation of 1986 Porsche 911 Carrera
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Thanks for all of the replies and the words of wisdom. I went out for dinner with my parents tonight but they were watching my 8.5 year old niece, which as you can imagine can be a bit stressful. So, we weren't able to get any pictures of the car today but should be able to get some tomorrow morning. Will definitely get some of the engine bay, the interior and the front trunk. And thank you for the advice on BAT... my old man is pretty old fashioned in that he'll likely try to sell the car in person somehow. But, if we do decide to go the online route with BAT or something similar, I'll definitely keep those things in mind. I personally have no issue with sites like BAT, especially since it'll weed out the tire kickers and guys that just want to waste your time or lowball you. But it's also not my car, so we'll try to get a few more pictures posted tomorrow and see what he has to say on the matter. Sounds like the general consensus though is around the $60k price range? I saw a few similar cars on BAT sell in the $70k's and $80k's, of which I didn't realize this until now, but apparently the buyer pays the 5% commission fee as opposed to eBay where it's usually the seller? If I'm reading it correctly, it looks like the seller only pays $99 for the listing, plus an additional $330 for an optional premium picture service? That might be the way to go at this point.
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Thanks for all of the replies and the words of wisdom. I went out for dinner with my parents tonight but they were watching my 8.5 year old niece, which as you can imagine can be a bit stressful. So, we weren't able to get any pictures of the car today but should be able to get some tomorrow morning. Will definitely get some of the engine bay, the interior and the front trunk. And thank you for the advice on BAT... my old man is pretty old fashioned in that he'll likely try to sell the car in person somehow. But, if we do decide to go the online route with BAT or something similar, I'll definitely keep those things in mind. I personally have no issue with sites like BAT, especially since it'll weed out the tire kickers and guys that just want to waste your time or lowball you. But it's also not my car, so we'll try to get a few more pictures posted tomorrow and see what he has to say on the matter. Sounds like the general consensus though is around the $60k price range? I saw a few similar cars on BAT sell in the $70k's and $80k's, of which I didn't realize this until now, but apparently the buyer pays the 5% commission fee as opposed to eBay where it's usually the seller? If I'm reading it correctly, it looks like the seller only pays $99 for the listing, plus an additional $330 for an optional premium picture service? That might be the way to go at this point.
I would not go by "general consensus" on establishing a value for the car. I would again recommend reaching out to Nathan Merz - (set up a phone call with him via his website.)
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For reference, a year ago I purchased a very good condition 86 coupe with double the mileage of yours for $47k euros in Germany, where these cars are cheaper. I'd say that BAT numbers are the most reliable and that it could be worth in the $70-80k range and certainly no less than $60k.
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mustang65fbk (05-20-2024)
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A couple of items of advice from a seller on BAT. Before pictures get it super cleaned by someone who knows the cars. Dry ice is not necessary in this price range but at least wash the underside well, engine compartment, carpets and mats cleaned and fresh, glass clean and at a minimum a coat of wax. From the one pic the wheels need to be washed and waxed to brighten the black spokes and shine the lips. Spend $300-500 for at a minimum 150% return or more. Second, do not assume the photographer knows the shots to take. I have gotten great new photographers who had no idea what pics are needed. So scan all the auctions and make a list of the pics required for top dollar. That's not 300 but probably 125 or so, it's a small car. Point out and photograph all the flaws too, might as well get past that. Use your finger to point at them if they will not show up in the pic easily. Pics of all maintenance records, owners manuals...... If something doesn't work I would seriously consider fixing it. I like working on my cars but I'm not normal. Get the oil changed, air filter checked, check the tire dates and if over maybe 6 years put tires on it, even if they have lived in a climate controlled museum....
Lastly, you will need a cold start and driving video. You will post them on YouTube and use the link to pass them on to BAT. If your not confident in editing them down to size tell your BAT rep to send a photographer that can do this too. I do my own but if BAT does it, it may be extra?
And, have the car with you during the auction!!! Huge deal to be able to respond quickly with a pic or be able to show the car on short notice. This is work, be ready and respond many times during each day of the auction. It's a beautiful car, people will like it. Best of luck!
Lastly, you will need a cold start and driving video. You will post them on YouTube and use the link to pass them on to BAT. If your not confident in editing them down to size tell your BAT rep to send a photographer that can do this too. I do my own but if BAT does it, it may be extra?
And, have the car with you during the auction!!! Huge deal to be able to respond quickly with a pic or be able to show the car on short notice. This is work, be ready and respond many times during each day of the auction. It's a beautiful car, people will like it. Best of luck!
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Get it to a quality consigner. They are likely to get your more money net of fees and they do the legwork. BAT is a good barometer but people always focus on the high sales and not apples:apples compares, and the marketing needed to be successful with BAT is significant. There is a ton of work needed to show up well, and that includes being a very engaged seller. The most successful auctions on BAT are almost all dealers.
Well marketed this is a 60k+ car. 86 by some is regarded as the best year for the G.
Well marketed this is a 60k+ car. 86 by some is regarded as the best year for the G.
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Steven C. (05-22-2024)
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Check out classic.com website for data on 86 car sales. I would look at prices for 84-86, as those are the 915 transmission cars with the 3.2 engine.
look at cars in your mileage range.
https://www.classic.com/m/porsche/91...upe/year-1986/
look at cars in your mileage range.
https://www.classic.com/m/porsche/91...upe/year-1986/
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You have had some good advice... BaT is the way to go, 3.2s do really well on the platform. You may want to consider selling with a consignor, who is familiar with these cars and posting on BaT, as they will know what if anything to address and how to present the car. Many times you will net more when selling with one the knows what they are doing.
If you go it alone, get the photos they offer and make sure the car is perfectly detailed... I cant stress this enough. You will need to provide a cold start video and a driving video as well.. Make sure to have a leakdown test completed, fresh oil change and valve adjustment if one has not been completed recently. Only accept a wire transfer and do not release the title or car until funds have cleared.
Avoid Ebay, Craigslist, and FB marketplace for selling cars. If you advertise privately, you will get inundated with flippers and scammers.
If you go it alone, get the photos they offer and make sure the car is perfectly detailed... I cant stress this enough. You will need to provide a cold start video and a driving video as well.. Make sure to have a leakdown test completed, fresh oil change and valve adjustment if one has not been completed recently. Only accept a wire transfer and do not release the title or car until funds have cleared.
Avoid Ebay, Craigslist, and FB marketplace for selling cars. If you advertise privately, you will get inundated with flippers and scammers.
Last edited by David Borden; 05-28-2024 at 03:01 PM.
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Tell me more about this wife transfer. I did not get one of those when I bought my '85. Did I do something wrong?
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Ironman88 (05-28-2024)
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Good evening, apologies that it's taken so long since I've updated the thread, had a lockout/strike at work and a bunch of other things going on, but I wanted to reply with a bit of an update. My father decided that he would like to list the car on BAT, so we submitted the car last Thursday, of which there has been some back and forth about clarification questions, additional pictures and so forth. We added 30 to the initial submission but they're asking for more, so I think my old man is going to take a few more tonight or tomorrow morning. The good news would be that a "similar" car to my old man's sold just the other day for a little bit over $70k, so we're hopeful that we'll be able to clear that. $60k figure, fingers crossed. In the even that something doesn't go as planned on BAT, we'll likely add it to Craigslist, OfferUp, Facebook Marketplace or something similar. Hopefully we can get it sold on BAT, though if it doesn't anyone on here has any interest, please let us know. We've got 30+ pictures so far as well as more in the works and a couple pictures of the title, if it gets the far. Thanks again for the great advice and hope all is well with everyone on here.
https://bringatrailer.com/listing/19...omments-anchor
https://bringatrailer.com/listing/19...omments-anchor
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Beautiful car!
I've been watching each and every auction on BAT on these cars recently. I've caught the 911 bug and want to join the club, but patiently waiting for the right car. Presentation, engagement and friendly discussion (vibes
) are key on BAT as others have noted. Good luck! There's a wide range for similar cars.
Using a black on black '85 coupe as a control --
This well presented auction sold for ~$77k (95k miles, previous theft & minor accident): https://bringatrailer.com/listing/19...rera-coupe-41/
This one hit $64k with RNM (76k miles, previous accident in 2004): https://bringatrailer.com/listing/19...rera-coupe-43/
I've been watching each and every auction on BAT on these cars recently. I've caught the 911 bug and want to join the club, but patiently waiting for the right car. Presentation, engagement and friendly discussion (vibes
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Using a black on black '85 coupe as a control --
This well presented auction sold for ~$77k (95k miles, previous theft & minor accident): https://bringatrailer.com/listing/19...rera-coupe-41/
This one hit $64k with RNM (76k miles, previous accident in 2004): https://bringatrailer.com/listing/19...rera-coupe-43/