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Old 05-13-2024 | 12:25 PM
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I know that the carrera3.0 are more rare, but also more expensive than the 911S. I know the C3.0 was one of Hans Mezger's favorite cars and his family still has his. I have found a 1977 911 that has the 930 rear quarters/wing and the engine has been built to 3.0L, so its a pseudo C3.0 So if i chose the 911 over an actual C3.0 what would I be missing? I'm looking for a driver not something I'm going to stare at. I understand that the value of the 911 isn't going to be as high as the C3.0.
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so what you are looking at is what we call a Frankenporsche. It certainly wont be even close to a Carrera 3.0 in value. I am not sure the Carrera 3.0 was even sold in North Americaa ( may be wrong) but it is quite rare .

What you are looking at is a 911s 2.7 ( middie) with 3.0 litre cylinders on it and a have had turbo flares added on to it .

If you are after a fun driver it might fit the bill if the price is right, but it is nothing special and may go for less than any original car of that era.

personally if i were in your shoes id look at an SC over that if i had a choice.
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so what you are looking at is what we call a Frankenporsche. It certainly wont be even close to a Carrera 3.0 in value. I am not sure the Carrera 3.0 was even sold in North Americaa ( may be wrong) but it is quite rare .

What you are looking at is a 911s 2.7 ( middie) with 3.0 litre cylinders on it and a have had turbo flares added on to it .

If you are after a fun driver it might fit the bill if the price is right, but it is nothing special and may go for less than any original car of that era.

personally if i were in your shoes id look at an SC over that if i had a choice.

I actually just relooked at the car i was talking about and I was thinking it was a 911S, but its actually a 911SC being called a 930 tribute, given that does that change your opinion? Generally I don't buy modified cars because you don't know what youre getting. I'm new to classic Porsche but I assume unmolested are more rare and more expensive, and this is you get what you pay for....
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Well the SC is a solid car no question and the 3.0 litre is bulletproof. its just a matter of what are you after .. i have a friend who has a 75S that had SC fenders welded on years ago, the paint is starting to come off where the weld was .. so all depends what you want or what you might find down the road. .

should be priced under an equivalent SC, for the exact reasons you mention .. the unknown... if it isn't move on

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It's a birth year car, so my intention is to keep it forever. which is why I'm looking for that specific year. So unless i want a full blown tear down project, I should look for the cleanest example I can justify to myself.
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It's a birth year car, so my intention is to keep it forever. which is why I'm looking for that specific year. So unless i want a full blown tear down project, I should look for the cleanest example I can justify to myself.
so you are looking for a 77S that has engine work done to resolve studs pulling out of the MAg case , thermal reactors removed and the 11 blade fan.
hey are great light cars if you can find one .. and well sorted they are worth keeping.

the SC came out in 78 so would not be your birth year .
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Ah, so the car is mislabeled on the posting. Thanks, back to searching.
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Ah, so the car is mislabeled on the posting. Thanks, back to searching.

well it could be a 77 with an " SC " engine.. which would be a 78 engine. Serial nuber of the both car and engine would tell you a lot.

But in its purest form .. you are looking for a 77 911S . or as you stated, a 77 carrera 3.0
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for the G body, purchase in order:

1 87-89 carrera, preferably an 89
2 84-86 carrera, preferably 85-86 with larger ac vents
3 78-83 sc, the earlier ones have a more simplistic k jetronic system that works better
4 74-77 911, preferably the 77 as it has incorporated ac vents, but personally would never buy this series as they ran too hot and pulled case studs
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Originally Posted by Dr. 914
for the G body, purchase in order:

1 87-89 carrera, preferably an 89
2 84-86 carrera, preferably 85-86 with larger ac vents
3 78-83 sc, the earlier ones have a more simplistic k jetronic system that works better
4 74-77 911, preferably the 77 as it has incorporated ac vents, but personally would never buy this series as they ran too hot and pulled case studs

yeah he wanted his Birth year car .. so it limited it to a 77 unfortunately.
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I bought my C3 in '76 and still have it

What makes a C3 more desirable than a SC, more hp than a '78-81SC
lighter than any SC
The crank and flywheel are the same as 2.7RS , lighter than SC and rev much quicker
915/44 has super gearing
headlights are way better than any US SC

in '76 you could order 7 & 8 x15 Fuchs w/ 205/50 & 225/50 tires these options really perk the car up, the 7 & 8 may have been available in '77 but not the tires

other options to look for
sport seats, lsd
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Originally Posted by Bill Verburg
I bought my C3 in '76 and still have it

What makes a C3 more desirable than a SC, more hp than a '78-81SC
lighter than any SC
The crank and flywheel are the same as 2.7RS , lighter than SC and rev much quicker
915/44 has super gearing
headlights are way better than any US SC

in '76 you could order 7 & 8 x15 Fuchs w/ 205/50 & 225/50 tires these options really perk the car up, the 7 & 8 may have been available in '77 but not the tires

other options to look for
sport seats, lsd
Bill were they sold in North America ?? or were they brought over by privateers ? I have never been sure about this .
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here's one:

https://bringatrailer.com/listing/19...carrera-coupe/

auction ends in three days.
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Bill were they sold in North America ?? or were they brought over by privateers ? I have never been sure about this .
No, I bought it in Germany and privately imported it under the old one time personal use law, you got an EPA exemption and had to comply w/ DoT rules, They let some things slide like the headlights but others not so much like the door crash beams.

funny thong was when I got back w/ it my neighbor had done the same thing
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Originally Posted by jfischet
here's one:

https://bringatrailer.com/listing/19...carrera-coupe/

auction ends in three days.
That looks like a very nice clean original example, they say the tail is an add on but it is the correct design for that year.



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