Russ L.

Am I going to be taking on more than I can chew by trying to
upgrade my torsionbars at home? I've been a tech. for 25 years but never
did any torsionbar work muchless worked on a porsche.
Are there any special tools needed and if so where can I obtian them? It seems to me that when you start goofing around with these ...you can really mess up the alignment and corner balancing.
With my luck I'll wind up with the car sitting like a bent lunch tray
with the opposite corner tires hitting the ground...LOLOL!!!!
Just joking...Thanks for all your insights to everyone that has
helped me with my questions.
Russ

Russ L.

P.S. Steve @ Rennsport...Thanks for the specs. on the bars...I will be making my purchases after x-mas
Russ

geo.aigel

Of couse you will royally mess up your alignment and corner balancing and you will not have a chance to reset that in your garage with chalk and a protractor! But you can get it close enough to haul it to the shop and have it re-aligned and corner balanced. You won't have a chance to get around that.

The work, especially if you are an automotive technician, isn't anything magic. Just take your time and be patient with things that may have been in there a long time. There are no special tools needed unless you put new balljoints while messing around with the front suspension.

Get the bentley manual and maybe Wayne Dempsey's 101 projects book and you should get a good idea how to proceed.

George

r911

and be sure there is room to the sides to w'draw the rear bars.

Steve Weiner-Rennsport Systems

Hi Russ:

LOL,...Its not too bad for anyone with your experiences and some basic metric tools. You'll need a good angle finder or protractor to set the spring plate angles upon reassembly.

Wayne's book "101 Projects" is a good guide for this operation and I can talk you through the rest.

It will all need to be redone when the car is cornerbalanced, the final ride height set, and the alignment is done.

Lastly, I'd have some real good spray penetrant handy for those stubborn fasteners that have never been apart. The consumer stuff is useless; I use either Zep Penetrant or Wurth Rost-Off and both are professional products.

RoninLB

Hey Russ.. now may be a good time to do the front springs and bushings

DanS911

This a great project and VERY doable. We did a little project on my '76 Targa. F & R torsion bars, 23 & 30 mm. Bushings, Bilsein Sport Shocks, Turbo Tie Rods, and other misc little things. I could hardly keep the thing on the road on the way to get it corner balanced! It was a little darty. But let me tell you what! After balancing, alignment. and height adjustment this thing sticks! Took 10 seconds off my time at Sebring. It is a joy to drive (my daily driver). Since we have pretty good roads in S Fla it doesn't rattle your teeth. The only thing I would do differently would be bronze bushings, the plastic ones are too noisy.

Russ L.

Cool... I have the 101 projects book,911 performance book; and am getting the Bently manual. I do have some other questions though...
1] To Dan... Bronze bushings for what? I've heard of them for the pedals.
Is that what you're refering to? As far as susp. bushings go I thought I'd
use the "poly" type...or am I making a mistake?
2] To Ronin...what springs are you talking about? The car is an 84 euro cab...??? Is there something I'm overlooking?
3] To Stveve...You're a mind reader...I was shooting the Hardware I thought I'd be removing soon with some rust penetrant that I've been using at the Jeep dlr. that I work at. This stuff WILL burn bare skin in about
two min. if not washed...but it works very well.

Well we just got another 5" of snow...!@@##$$!!!!!
Thanks to all;
Russ

RoninLB

1] Elephant Racing has the bronze bushings that is the next generation of T-bar bushings.. they are easier to install. ie: no custom install, no squeaks, and have a bigger and bigger track following every day.. they ride about 1% or 2% harder than the Welt street bushings.. more expensive, but a class act.

2] springs = torsion bars

geo.aigel

Poly bushings are great, but they may squeak at times. NO problem IMHO.

George

RoninLB

ditto.

I used that special bushing grease that Performance sells and May get a squeak at full extension. The routine is for the poly to last 40k miles.. but mine have 40k and seem OK

Russ L.

Will the bronze bushings wear out quickly? It would seem that you're taking ALL the "give" out of the mounts ...???but then again you would be just feeling the bars working...right?
Thanks to all Russ

Noel

I'm actually in the middle of this process right now and just decided to get the Sway-Away adjustable spring plates. My justification was that it will save me time in setting the rideheight as the height can be adjusted with an allen wrench. Also, the final corner balance would be cheaper since it takes much less labor to set the height.

Plus it comes with bushings.


Noel

Elephant Chuck

Hi Russ

My company makes the PolyBronze bearings (bushings) referenced above. The product has a rigid bronze-on-steel bearing surface for low friction, long life and no squeaks. The bearing is encapsulated in a polyurethane jacket:



The polyurethane jacket provides vibration absorption and accomodates manufacturing variation in the mounts. The ride is not harsh.

The bronze bearings are very large for the loads they see and with the built in grease nipples will last a long time.


Noel, PolyBronze for sway-a-way are in queue and will be shipping shortly.

Noel

Chuck, that is good to know. I got the front ones you sent me and they are too beautiful to put on the car. Once I get done with the rear I'm planning to rebuild the front.

Thanks again for a great product.

Noel