View Poll Results: Swap out to Michelin Pilot Sport 4S on your 718 RS car?
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Michelin PS 4S tires for your GT4 RS /Spyder RS?
12-13-2023, 08:48 AM
#1
Burning Brakes
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Michelin PS 4S tires for your GT4 RS /Spyder RS?
Wondering who out there has tried / plans to use Michelin Pilot Sport 4S on the GT4 RS /Spyder RS?
I spoke to a Porsche dealer and since Michelin Pilot Sport 4S is offered in N-Spec for 718 RS, they’d happily swap tires out to them; so dealer support isn’t an issue.
I expect the performance tradeoff would not be noticeable on the street. Driving intention is canyon carving on dry days but not track duty. But on these road trips, rain /wet roads can sometimes intervene. Thoughts? We are talking the best max performance street tire on the planet here: Michelin Pilot Sport 4S.
For me the OEM Streetable Competition tires Michelin Cup 2 /Dunlop Maxx Race 2 are overkill on the street while providing almost no tread (or tread life) which to me means that death looms much nearer should rain or a wet road appear unexpectedly (as they can in Southeast climate). I wish the 4S were a factory option as on 718 Spyder.
I spoke to a Porsche dealer and since Michelin Pilot Sport 4S is offered in N-Spec for 718 RS, they’d happily swap tires out to them; so dealer support isn’t an issue.
I expect the performance tradeoff would not be noticeable on the street. Driving intention is canyon carving on dry days but not track duty. But on these road trips, rain /wet roads can sometimes intervene. Thoughts? We are talking the best max performance street tire on the planet here: Michelin Pilot Sport 4S.
For me the OEM Streetable Competition tires Michelin Cup 2 /Dunlop Maxx Race 2 are overkill on the street while providing almost no tread (or tread life) which to me means that death looms much nearer should rain or a wet road appear unexpectedly (as they can in Southeast climate). I wish the 4S were a factory option as on 718 Spyder.
Last edited by 348SStb; 12-13-2023 at 11:26 AM.
12-13-2023, 09:10 AM
#2
SRS I could def see changing to 4S since would never see track use.
4RS prob not for how I use it but maybe if daily driving, wet weather and never on track.
4RS prob not for how I use it but maybe if daily driving, wet weather and never on track.
12-13-2023, 10:20 AM
#3
Three Wheelin'
I switched to 4S on my 991.1 GT3 because I wasn't going to be tracking it anymore. Huge difference on the street. Tires are not as slippery when pressures increase and in the wet weather on the road are vastly superior to the Cup2. Once the Cup2's are worn on the SRS I will switch to 4S/5S. No reason not to. Plus they cost less than the Cup2 for a better driving experience on the street IMHO.
12-13-2023, 10:21 AM
#4
On my non-RS Spyder, I switched from PSC2 to PS4S for basically the reasons you mention. The car is a back-road/mountain toy with very little track time seen. I found the PSC2 horrific in the rain, mostly because you really couldn't get an idea of where you were with regards to the limits of traction, and that felt scary to me. Also if the rain is heavy, the car is borderline undriveable. I find my Spyder much more enjoyable now as I really don't have to worry about rain. The PS4S is a very capable rain tire, so not only is the car not scary, it is still quite enjoyable.
12-13-2023, 11:11 AM
#5
Burning Brakes
I optioned my regular Spyder with the PS4's... really an impressive tire if you ask me. Works great in most weather conditions. The PSC really needs a LOT of heat to grip to its potential - you'll pretty much never get there on the street.
When I know I'm going to be aggressive (this car only sees autocross..... but if I WERE to track it) I have an extra set of wheels with different tires mounted.
When I know I'm going to be aggressive (this car only sees autocross..... but if I WERE to track it) I have an extra set of wheels with different tires mounted.
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2XIPA (12-13-2023)
12-13-2023, 04:26 PM
#6
Burning Brakes
As my standard GT4 is just for casual driving, I switched to PS4. Didn't make sense to spend more money for more performance I didn't need. Probably accelerated by the fact I did some canyon driving in the damp with PSC2s and it was pretty sketchy.
12-13-2023, 04:55 PM
#7
Cup 2's are only $100 more for a full set vs the 4S... price shouldn't be the deciding factor.
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12-13-2023, 04:59 PM
#8
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Switched from Dunlops Max Race 2 that came with the car to PS4S, love the PS4S, but next time I think I am going with the SC3's. Appears to be in the middle of PS4S and Cup2's.
12-13-2023, 05:02 PM
#9
Burning Brakes
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12-13-2023, 05:09 PM
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12-13-2023, 05:11 PM
#11
Burning Brakes
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I can say my experience trying out the VERY highly praised Goodyear Eagle Exhilarate tires was HORRIFIC. Tires arrived with flat spots, needed replacement; the repalcement tires were mounted, balanced, and roadforced numerous times and the vibrations remained (2020 Audi S7). I took it on the chin and hoped they would simply "break-in," but no. Great performing tire actually in dry and wet (never tested snow) if you don't mind the whole care shaking. Everyone I talked to who knows European luxury tires had nothing good to say about Goodyear.
Last edited by 348SStb; 12-13-2023 at 05:14 PM.
12-13-2023, 05:30 PM
#12
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Interesting. I've not heard of those.
I can say my experience trying out the VERY highly praised Goodyear Eagle Exhilarate tires was HORRIFIC. Tires arrived with flat spots, needed replacement; the repalcement tires were mounted, balanced, and roadforced numerous times and the vibrations remained (2020 Audi S7). I took it on the chin and hoped they would simply "break-in," but no. Great performing tire actually in dry and wet (never tested snow) if you don't mind the whole care shaking. Everyone I talked to who knows European luxury tires had nothing good to say about Goodyear.
I can say my experience trying out the VERY highly praised Goodyear Eagle Exhilarate tires was HORRIFIC. Tires arrived with flat spots, needed replacement; the repalcement tires were mounted, balanced, and roadforced numerous times and the vibrations remained (2020 Audi S7). I took it on the chin and hoped they would simply "break-in," but no. Great performing tire actually in dry and wet (never tested snow) if you don't mind the whole care shaking. Everyone I talked to who knows European luxury tires had nothing good to say about Goodyear.
Have used them for 2 yr on my GT4, very happy with them!
YMMV
Cheers!
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168glhs1986 (12-15-2023)
12-13-2023, 06:09 PM
#13
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Great feedback LZRD, any thoughts on them in wet and cold? I dont plan on running aggressively in either conditions, but if I get caught out in such conditions would like to know I will not die 
348, this is a good video I found on them
https://www.tire-reviews.com/Article...R-vs-R888R.htm
348, this is a good video I found on them
https://www.tire-reviews.com/Article...R-vs-R888R.htm
12-13-2023, 06:23 PM
#14
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SC3R is not a wet tire as it doesn't have sufficient voids to clear standing water and also needs Heat to come alive. SC3 is better in this regard but none of the Super 200 TW tires are good in the wet, best are the full tread RE-71RS and Yokohama AO52.
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jamesrg (12-13-2023)
12-13-2023, 06:37 PM
#15
Three Wheelin'
If we are just talking about grip levels on the street, then for most people, stepping down from a Cup2 type tire to 4S type tire is not a big deal. If you think you are maxxing out grip on a Cup2 tire on the street, you (1) probably aren't actually driving at the limit on the street and (2) if you are driving at the actual limit, you should be taking it to the track.
That said, I still like a more aggressive tire on the street. They provide better feel and crisper turn in on the street, at the expense of needing to warm up a bit before they work and also not working as well in the rain.
Ideally you could have two sets of wheels if bad weather driving really matters to you. Otherwise, I would go for a 200tw type tire (Yoko AD09 or Goodyear SC2) that works decently in the wet and leave the car home when weather is really bad.
That said, I still like a more aggressive tire on the street. They provide better feel and crisper turn in on the street, at the expense of needing to warm up a bit before they work and also not working as well in the rain.
Ideally you could have two sets of wheels if bad weather driving really matters to you. Otherwise, I would go for a 200tw type tire (Yoko AD09 or Goodyear SC2) that works decently in the wet and leave the car home when weather is really bad.