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Old 04-08-2022, 04:30 PM
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Originally Posted by Bill_76
I installed the Kline Catback system, the OAP has a small muffler, but you can go with a no muffled OAP and you will get more sound but the same result in torque (my friend went this route, and the same result in torque than mine)
Ah, you installed a new system. That would certainly provide some torque gains.
Old 04-08-2022, 05:19 PM
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Another viewpoint on this topic.

Porsche is very proud of the sounds their cars make, and they have a special room just to test and adjust the tone of their exhausts. They have tuned the GT4 to sound a certain way and want that to be uniform throughout the world. When you remove the GPF, as we all know, more low rpm drone is introduced into the sound signature. Of course, no one likes that, and it not tolerable for the manufacturer. Porsche would have to modify the exhaust in other ways to cure that problem for just a few markets. Bean counters are not going for that at all.
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Does the ecu require to be flash tuned if you remove these filters, would there be a cell error ?
Old 04-08-2022, 05:53 PM
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Originally Posted by Rasputin.
I don't believe there are any performance gains to be had by removing the particulate filter. At least I have not seen any data to suggest this. Probably in your head from the sound increase. Although, you have one and I do not, so what do I know.
Don’t know why you wouldn’t have gains. It’s the equivalent of a cat, everyone agrees removing/hiflow cats produces power.


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I think I saw a video where AP said it was so that GT4’s sound the same regardless of country
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I knocked the matrix out of a set of OEM GPF'S that I bought from another RL member and swapped them onto my GTS 4.0. The sound is slightly louder and maybe a bit more performance. There's a whole thread titled "Big genitalia mod" discussing it, there are no monitors in the US, some claim the matrix is inert. Mine was grey in color and they were used. Several aftermarket companies offer replacement pipes , Soul, Akrapovic, etc.
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Originally Posted by James88
Does the ecu require to be flash tuned if you remove these filters, would there be a cell error ?
Not for US cars. Replaced mine with OAPs from Akrapovic after the break-in.
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Old 04-08-2022, 11:35 PM
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Forgot whatever the purpose is supposed to be and get rid of them. They weigh a lot, do not improve the sound and the cost to replace them is not a lot so just do it!
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Old 04-08-2022, 11:48 PM
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Originally Posted by Rasputin.
Ah, you installed a new system. That would certainly provide some torque gains.
I got delivery with the valves locked fully open, sounds louder at low rpms but it sounds fake, sinthetic, I hate it from the first mile after delivery.
First I swap the rear muffler for a Soul
valved, so much better sound than stock, but little bit louder than Oem mainly below 5k rpm (always with valves fully open), so I decided to take out the OPFs but wanted an OAP with muffler, so I sold the Soul and bought the Kline, and the torque/power difference only happened when the OAP was deleted. My friend bought my soul rear muffler and added akra oap and same opinion so much alive at low/mid rpms.

Here the guy in question




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Old 04-09-2022, 12:15 AM
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Originally Posted by phefner
Not for US cars. Replaced mine with OAPs from Akrapovic after the break-in.
Thanks, OAPs is over axle pipes? Just replaced with pipes?
Old 04-09-2022, 02:00 AM
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No one has ever posted a dyno running showing a gain in HP/torque from removing the OAPs. The only one I've seen actually showed a slight drop in the middle of the RPM range (probably just normal variation between runs).
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Originally Posted by Rasputin.
From what I understand, is that while it is unmonitored from the ECU, it is still the regenerative matrix. That is, the car doesn't care if you pull it out (for the NA market), but the clay-like matrix itself is still 100% identical to its EU counterpart and is fully regenerative.
I have never seen published information to support this idea, can you share the source? I have read that the GPF on NA cars is inert.
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Originally Posted by Rasputin.
From what I understand, is that while it is unmonitored from the ECU, it is still the regenerative matrix. That is, the car doesn't care if you pull it out (for the NA market), but the clay-like matrix itself is still 100% identical to its EU counterpart and is fully regenerative.
The US cars do have an inert matrix, and the difference between functional and non-functional ones is very clear even visually. I believe it was JCR who posted pictures of the difference.
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I had the dealer install my Flat-6 OAP pipes prior to delivery. I didn't want to drive it even one mile stock. I drove friends' cars, some stock, some with OAP pipes. For me, there was no other choice.

Oh, and with Cartronics EV controller installed I can easily switch off the drone when quiet driving is desired.

Love it.
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Originally Posted by James88
Does the ecu require to be flash tuned if you remove these filters, would there be a cell error ?
NO
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