My vid driving the GT4 RS WP in anger (no personal impressions)
03-09-2022 | 01:20 AM
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03-09-2022 | 12:59 PM
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that's what Automatics do for you sadly.
while the GT4 RS is great tool, you can drive it pretty fast with less skills, the manual GT4 can still be had in manual, and the 991.2 GT3 manuals are still king by a long way.
GT4 RS market is an odd one imo. £150k for a Automatic track tool which lets face it is still not a Gt3 RS. Good job they will be unobtainable, but not for me any way. If you want auto buy a 991.2 GT3 RS WP car.
If you want a manual the normal GT4 or for less money a normal GT4 is great. I would never have a GT4 RS over a manual 991.2 GT3 !
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03-09-2022 | 01:43 PM
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that's what Automatics do for you sadly.
while the GT4 RS is great tool, you can drive it pretty fast with less skills, the manual GT4 can still be had in manual, and the 991.2 GT3 manuals are still king by a long way.
GT4 RS market is an odd one imo. £150k for a Automatic track tool which lets face it is still not a Gt3 RS. Good job they will be unobtainable, but not for me any way. If you want auto buy a 991.2 GT3 RS WP car.
If you want a manual the normal GT4 or for less money a normal GT4 is great. I would never have a GT4 RS over a manual 991.2 GT3 !
while the GT4 RS is great tool, you can drive it pretty fast with less skills, the manual GT4 can still be had in manual, and the 991.2 GT3 manuals are still king by a long way.
GT4 RS market is an odd one imo. £150k for a Automatic track tool which lets face it is still not a Gt3 RS. Good job they will be unobtainable, but not for me any way. If you want auto buy a 991.2 GT3 RS WP car.
If you want a manual the normal GT4 or for less money a normal GT4 is great. I would never have a GT4 RS over a manual 991.2 GT3 !
We get it you don't like "automatics" and respect your opinion.
You need anyway a certain degree of skill to drive it fast, just like your manual car...it's not a Tesla that drives itself. Less involvement? Yes, you don't have to choose gears but you do need to know what you are doing and will be very rewarding on track.
GT4 RS does have its merits....992 GT3 engine, a reworked transmission, specific tune on suspension, improved aero, etc.....basically the most important bits us track rats love and are missing from the GT4.
But the GT4RS is not intended to replace a GT3 or GT3RS either...it's a model for those looking for the ultimate mid-engine platform from Porsche, mainly for track use.
Anyway, a 991.2 GT3RS WP will be way more expensive now than the 4RS...excluding ADM of course. Now, if you ask me 992 GT3 manual vs GT4 RS and can only pick one...then yes, 992 GT3, but not a 991.2.
The thing here is not to compare to GT3/RS but to GT4.......you are getting a big jump from GT4 and that in Porsche Land cost $$$$ just enough that it sits below the GT3.
03-09-2022 | 02:23 PM
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Since Farah paved the way, here is my "sound only" video driving the new car fairly close to the limit. Lack of track knowledge meant I had to play it a bit safe in braking zones especially and some of those long corners go on forever and it was hard to find the line.
It was helpful that I am friends with the instructor from before so there was no cap on how fast I could go. He kept the gap sizeable in the GT3 on Cup 2R,.
The press car was NOT on Cup 2R tires, instead running the regular Cup 2 N1 GT4 tire. They had been well used from the previous day. The car with Bergmeister was on new Cup 2R. I had assumed that the green stuff past the kerbs was as slippery as on my home tracks, but that turned out not to be the case since he kept going fully over them every corner he could lol.
Could have made up a bunch of time there to be sure. In the end with the stickier tires, track knowledge and, well, being Joerg Bergmeister, he was 2.9s quicker.
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It was helpful that I am friends with the instructor from before so there was no cap on how fast I could go. He kept the gap sizeable in the GT3 on Cup 2R,.
The press car was NOT on Cup 2R tires, instead running the regular Cup 2 N1 GT4 tire. They had been well used from the previous day. The car with Bergmeister was on new Cup 2R. I had assumed that the green stuff past the kerbs was as slippery as on my home tracks, but that turned out not to be the case since he kept going fully over them every corner he could lol.
Could have made up a bunch of time there to be sure. In the end with the stickier tires, track knowledge and, well, being Joerg Bergmeister, he was 2.9s quicker.
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03-09-2022 | 02:34 PM
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that's what Automatics do for you sadly.
while the GT4 RS is great tool, you can drive it pretty fast with less skills, the manual GT4 can still be had in manual, and the 991.2 GT3 manuals are still king by a long way.
GT4 RS market is an odd one imo. £150k for a Automatic track tool which lets face it is still not a Gt3 RS. Good job they will be unobtainable, but not for me any way. If you want auto buy a 991.2 GT3 RS WP car.
If you want a manual the normal GT4 or for less money a normal GT4 is great. I would never have a GT4 RS over a manual 991.2 GT3 !
while the GT4 RS is great tool, you can drive it pretty fast with less skills, the manual GT4 can still be had in manual, and the 991.2 GT3 manuals are still king by a long way.
GT4 RS market is an odd one imo. £150k for a Automatic track tool which lets face it is still not a Gt3 RS. Good job they will be unobtainable, but not for me any way. If you want auto buy a 991.2 GT3 RS WP car.
If you want a manual the normal GT4 or for less money a normal GT4 is great. I would never have a GT4 RS over a manual 991.2 GT3 !
Shifting a manual transmission on track is hardly the most challenging part of setting fast lap times. Threshold braking, earlier apexes (with less room for error) w/high corner entry and exit speeds, along with extensive use of the curbing/track, and overall car control are what deliver fast lap times. All things being equal, sure, the PDK would most likely turn the faster lap, but you make it sound like you can put anyone in a PDK on track and they will be setting track records.
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03-10-2022 | 08:00 AM
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That's a very personal thing if I go by my experience on GT3/RS and what I expect of the GT4RS.....I like both platforms but I tend to enjoy more the mid-engine.
If you are talking about how much effort you need to input, the mid-engine platform is easier/fun to extract the performance until you get to 9/10th or 10/10th, then it gets harder and more sensitive while on the rear-engine (if you know what your are doing) you can extract more of it.
The GT4RS will for sure raise the bar on the mid-engine platform but IMO will fall a bit short of the rear-engine when pushing the last once of performance, handling wise.
At the end it's what you prefer as a whole package....I don't mind loosing a bit of handling/performance and a less sophisticated suspension.
03-10-2022 | 09:21 PM
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That's a very personal thing if I go by my experience on GT3/RS and what I expect of the GT4RS.....I like both platforms but I tend to enjoy more the mid-engine.
If you are talking about how much effort you need to input, the mid-engine platform is easier/fun to extract the performance until you get to 9/10th or 10/10th, then it gets harder and more sensitive while on the rear-engine (if you know what your are doing) you can extract more of it.
The GT4RS will for sure raise the bar on the mid-engine platform but IMO will fall a bit short of the rear-engine when pushing the last once of performance, handling wise.
At the end it's what you prefer as a whole package....I don't mind loosing a bit of handling/performance and a less sophisticated suspension.
If you are talking about how much effort you need to input, the mid-engine platform is easier/fun to extract the performance until you get to 9/10th or 10/10th, then it gets harder and more sensitive while on the rear-engine (if you know what your are doing) you can extract more of it.
The GT4RS will for sure raise the bar on the mid-engine platform but IMO will fall a bit short of the rear-engine when pushing the last once of performance, handling wise.
At the end it's what you prefer as a whole package....I don't mind loosing a bit of handling/performance and a less sophisticated suspension.
It will raise the bar for the mid-engine platform within the Porsche world, but I think the car that will take the mid-engine platform to a new (at least for cost) level is the C8 Z06. The king of the mid-engine now is McLaren, but that is an entirely different price level. McLaren has some of the fastest and most consistent laps times in the amateur track world.
The GT4 RS is still a flawed/basic chassis and suspension architecture. If the GT4 RS incorporates the newest gen. of PASM, maybe the suspension will be good enough, but the 4 corner strut is still a liability.