Last model year of GT4/Spyder
01-10-2022, 04:41 PM
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During the press release AP noted that they're going to produce Spyder/GT4s for CY 2019, 20, and "maybe" 21.
How much has world events changed this -- unknown.
What is reasonable to assume is that GT4/Spyder RS will come at the expense of other 718 products.
If you want one, move now. Waiting lists are long and PAG won't tell you in advance when it's done.
How much has world events changed this -- unknown.
What is reasonable to assume is that GT4/Spyder RS will come at the expense of other 718 products.
If you want one, move now. Waiting lists are long and PAG won't tell you in advance when it's done.
I am still curious how much 4rs production curtails / ends gt4 production. It seems GT4 allocations are still appearing in the US, but then we can't order the 4rs here quite yet, so... Are those related?
People were saying that MY 22 gt3 allocations were all out late last year, but I am hearing some are expected in March...? Maybe those are MY 23 builds...? Or those late '21 rumors were false.
People were saying that MY 22 gt3 allocations were all out late last year, but I am hearing some are expected in March...? Maybe those are MY 23 builds...? Or those late '21 rumors were false.
I would be surprised if there was any MY23 GT4 or Spyder - 4RS yes...
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01-10-2022, 04:45 PM
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If that ain't the sign of the apocalypse, I don't know what is.I agree, however, that if you want one, make hay while the sun shines.
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01-10-2022, 04:50 PM
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But it is the NA / ICE swan song, so...who knows. I'm not disagreeing at all, just saying we are off the ranch, in a big way. Hell, THEY FRIGGIN MADE A GT4 RS, FOR CRYING OUT LOUD!!!! If that ain't the sign of the apocalypse, I don't know what is.
I agree, however, that if you want one, make hay while the sun shines.
If that ain't the sign of the apocalypse, I don't know what is.I agree, however, that if you want one, make hay while the sun shines.
Also note, that the Zuffenhausen 911 line does not (yet?) support production of electric variants - that's why they built the Taycan line
01-10-2022, 04:53 PM
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But it is the NA / ICE swan song, so...who knows. I'm not disagreeing at all, just saying we are off the ranch, in a big way. Hell, THEY FRIGGIN MADE A GT4 RS, FOR CRYING OUT LOUD!!!! If that ain't the sign of the apocalypse, I don't know what is.
I agree, however, that if you want one, make hay while the sun shines.
If that ain't the sign of the apocalypse, I don't know what is.I agree, however, that if you want one, make hay while the sun shines.
01-10-2022, 04:56 PM
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During the press release AP noted that they're going to produce Spyder/GT4s for CY 2019, 20, and "maybe" 21.
How much has world events changed this -- unknown.
What is reasonable to assume is that GT4/Spyder RS will come at the expense of other 718 products.
If you want one, move now. Waiting lists are long and PAG won't tell you in advance when it's done.
How much has world events changed this -- unknown.
What is reasonable to assume is that GT4/Spyder RS will come at the expense of other 718 products.
If you want one, move now. Waiting lists are long and PAG won't tell you in advance when it's done.
991.1 GT3 2013–2016
991.1 GT3 RS 2015–2017
991.2 GT3 2017–2019
991.2 GT3 RS 2018-2019
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01-10-2022, 05:02 PM
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The only thing that makes me question this would be the fact that the past two generations of GT3 had overlap with the production of the RS variants, so Porsche may continue producing the GT4 along side of the GT4 RS.
991.1 GT3 2013–2016
991.1 GT3 RS 2015–2017
991.2 GT3 2017–2019
991.2 GT3 RS 2018-2019
991.1 GT3 2013–2016
991.1 GT3 RS 2015–2017
991.2 GT3 2017–2019
991.2 GT3 RS 2018-2019
I guess we can all speculate as much as we want - only time will tell ... but if I were in the market for either a Spyder or a GT4 I would secure an allocation pre-August factory holiday ...YMMV
01-10-2022, 05:06 PM
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Yeah but it wasn't a huge overlap in terms of actual production/allocations ...
I guess we can all speculate as much as we want - only time will tell ... but if I were in the market for either a Spyder or a GT4 I would secure an allocation pre-August factory holiday ...YMMV
I guess we can all speculate as much as we want - only time will tell ... but if I were in the market for either a Spyder or a GT4 I would secure an allocation pre-August factory holiday ...YMMV
01-10-2022, 05:15 PM
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01-10-2022, 05:15 PM
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01-10-2022, 05:20 PM
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A 718R (4RS in manual) in MY23/24 would be awesome!
01-10-2022, 05:31 PM
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If we're throwing out rumors:
"Interestingly, Porsche is believed to be planning an internal-combustion engine option for the next 718 to briefly sell alongside the electric version, though based on an updated version of the current car's platform—just like it is doing with the Macan line. This would explain the recent sighting of a 718 Cayman test mule running internal-combustion power (shown below). The gas-powered model is expected to come first, perhaps as early as a 2024 model, with the electric version to follow a year later. According to Car and Driver's sources, plans for a hybrid 718 Cayman have been dropped."
https://www.motorauthority.com/news/...ng-performance
This would seem to make sense....not all markets are requiring tighter emissions driving to pure EV and why leave money/markets on the table.
When the 4.0 was released AP said it'll be compliant in the next platform.
"Interestingly, Porsche is believed to be planning an internal-combustion engine option for the next 718 to briefly sell alongside the electric version, though based on an updated version of the current car's platform—just like it is doing with the Macan line. This would explain the recent sighting of a 718 Cayman test mule running internal-combustion power (shown below). The gas-powered model is expected to come first, perhaps as early as a 2024 model, with the electric version to follow a year later. According to Car and Driver's sources, plans for a hybrid 718 Cayman have been dropped."
https://www.motorauthority.com/news/...ng-performance
This would seem to make sense....not all markets are requiring tighter emissions driving to pure EV and why leave money/markets on the table.
When the 4.0 was released AP said it'll be compliant in the next platform.
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Nate Tempest (08-14-2022)
01-10-2022, 05:45 PM
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If we're throwing out rumors:
"Interestingly, Porsche is believed to be planning an internal-combustion engine option for the next 718 to briefly sell alongside the electric version, though based on an updated version of the current car's platform—just like it is doing with the Macan line. This would explain the recent sighting of a 718 Cayman test mule running internal-combustion power (shown below). The gas-powered model is expected to come first, perhaps as early as a 2024 model, with the electric version to follow a year later. According to Car and Driver's sources, plans for a hybrid 718 Cayman have been dropped."
https://www.motorauthority.com/news/...ng-performance
This would seem to make sense....not all markets are requiring tighter emissions driving to pure EV and why leave money/markets on the table.
When the 4.0 was released AP said it'll be compliant in the next platform.
"Interestingly, Porsche is believed to be planning an internal-combustion engine option for the next 718 to briefly sell alongside the electric version, though based on an updated version of the current car's platform—just like it is doing with the Macan line. This would explain the recent sighting of a 718 Cayman test mule running internal-combustion power (shown below). The gas-powered model is expected to come first, perhaps as early as a 2024 model, with the electric version to follow a year later. According to Car and Driver's sources, plans for a hybrid 718 Cayman have been dropped."
https://www.motorauthority.com/news/...ng-performance
This would seem to make sense....not all markets are requiring tighter emissions driving to pure EV and why leave money/markets on the table.
When the 4.0 was released AP said it'll be compliant in the next platform.
That should work for the GTS and Spyder; but would there be enough demand for a refreshed GT4 now that the RS is available?
01-10-2022, 05:56 PM
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If we're throwing out rumors:
"Interestingly, Porsche is believed to be planning an internal-combustion engine option for the next 718 to briefly sell alongside the electric version, though based on an updated version of the current car's platform—just like it is doing with the Macan line. This would explain the recent sighting of a 718 Cayman test mule running internal-combustion power (shown below). The gas-powered model is expected to come first, perhaps as early as a 2024 model, with the electric version to follow a year later. According to Car and Driver's sources, plans for a hybrid 718 Cayman have been dropped."
https://www.motorauthority.com/news/...ng-performance
This would seem to make sense....not all markets are requiring tighter emissions driving to pure EV and why leave money/markets on the table.
When the 4.0 was released AP said it'll be compliant in the next platform.
"Interestingly, Porsche is believed to be planning an internal-combustion engine option for the next 718 to briefly sell alongside the electric version, though based on an updated version of the current car's platform—just like it is doing with the Macan line. This would explain the recent sighting of a 718 Cayman test mule running internal-combustion power (shown below). The gas-powered model is expected to come first, perhaps as early as a 2024 model, with the electric version to follow a year later. According to Car and Driver's sources, plans for a hybrid 718 Cayman have been dropped."
https://www.motorauthority.com/news/...ng-performance
This would seem to make sense....not all markets are requiring tighter emissions driving to pure EV and why leave money/markets on the table.
When the 4.0 was released AP said it'll be compliant in the next platform.
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01-10-2022, 06:20 PM
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Interesting. That makes sense. I listened to the Chris Harris Collecting Cars podcast with Andy Preuninger, and at the end Chris ask Mr. Preuninger, if in 3 - 4 years, Porsche would be able to sell a high performance GT branded internal combustion engine sports car, as we know it today. Mr. Preuninger said yes, at least in the US. For Europe, he said that 2026 was the year when the new Euro 7 emissions standards is slated to take effect and that would be a major hurdle for Porsche and the team.
