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Old 08-12-2021, 01:58 PM
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Default Spyders and the track

Back when I had a 986, I had a bk roll over hoop to give more headroom. On the bk website, I don’t see anything for the 718, much less a roll bar.

Does PCA let people run 718 boxters and spyders with just the stock humps? What are people doing to become “track legal,” if anything?

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Originally Posted by Adrift
Back when I had a 986, I had a bk roll over hoop to give more headroom. On the bk website, I don’t see anything for the 718, much less a roll bar.

Does PCA let people run 718 boxters and spyders with just the stock humps? What are people doing to become “track legal,” if anything?

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Nothing at all, just run with top up and a helmet for PCA in Canada.
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Yes, closed roof or arm restraints. Check with MAVPCA as there some instructors that drive their vert that way.
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Originally Posted by Borg1of5
Nothing at all, just run with top up and a helmet for PCA in Canada.
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Yes, closed roof or arm restraints. Check with MAVPCA as there some instructors that drive their vert that way.
Ah, the old arm restraints. I remember those! Now to find them in a storage box somewhere… That lets you run top down?

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Originally Posted by Adrift
Ah, the old arm restraints. I remember those! Now to find them in a storage box somewhere… That lets you run top down?

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I think you might want to run top up - while I do not have any data to support this assertion, I imagine that top up provides cleaner airflow over the car and to the spoiler than top down...
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I think you might want to run top up - while I do not have any data to support this assertion, I imagine that top up provides cleaner airflow over the car and to the spoiler than top down...
Kind of defeats the point. For me, at least.
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The sites and sounds of COTA with your top down are addicting.
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Originally Posted by Adrift
Kind of defeats the point. For me, at least.
Me too, our local track does have a couple of fast sections but mostly it is a technical exercise, driving it top down is just a blast, last Sunday the weather was perfect for this!
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If you do a PCA DE here is the guidance

Cabriolet/Convertible Cars



Any make of car delivered with factory installed roll over protection meets the minimum standards for PCA DE events. In these cars, we recommend the soft-top be in the up position or the hard top installed. If the top is in the down position, an SFI and/or FIA approved arm restraint system must be used.



If a car does not have factory installed roll over protection, a roll bar or roll cage must be installed, which meets the "broomstick" rule (the driver's helmeted head is below a bar placed on top of the roll bar and windshield). Design, installation and materials of roll bars or cages and their installation must meet PCA Club Racing specifications, contained in Appendix A-Roll Cage Specifications of the PCA Club Racing Rules. All Targa tops must be installed unless there is additional roll over protection. All sunroofs must be in the closed position.



The windshield alone is not considered to be factory roll over protection.
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so pca now allows pop up roll over protection? new 911 cabs can run stock? big change from when i drove w them in 2000s
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From my experience with NASA Mid-Atlantic this year and last is top down. Driven Summit Point and VIR with 2013 Boxster S. PCA Potomac at the same tracks is top up unless you go the arm constraint route.

I don't believe VIR allows 911 cabs with pop-up roll bars. They are allowed at Summit Point.

You notice the wind buffeting above 100.
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My local track is MSR-Cresson, which is also largely a technical track.

I only ran Eagles Canyon in a hard top long ago, so I don’t remember how much high speed it was.

Adapting is easy enough. Top up or down.
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Originally Posted by Adrift
My local track is MSR-Cresson, which is also largely a technical track.
The 3.1 at Cresson has more technical variations than COTA.
I haven't driven MSR Houston, and that prevents me from saying that MSR Cresson is the most technically diverse track in Texas.
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I drove MSR-Houston once, and I don’t recall it being remotely as technical as Cresson. I don’t remember much camber at all, or elevation change (besides one hump / hill).
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