LWBS has the built in air bag for one, two, if you replace the passenger seat, you don’t have the “weight” bladder sensor and thus if you get into accident, 3 airbags will fail to deploy, most important is passenger front airbag. Plus, LWBS you can easily plug in the OEM seat belt, with Sparco/Recaro, not that easy. 4th, you will have air bag failure message on dash

So, as you can see, not that easy. I learned a lot about seats in the last 2 weeks. I will use car for track and DD

 

This deal would be tempting. But even for 10k it would still be a pain in the *** and like another poster said having a car that doesn’t match the sticker for resale/trade etc.

 

yes, for 3rd party parts, but not with OEM seats, Porsche seats in Porsche cars are ok. I would only let my Porsche dealer do the swap to ensure it’s all setup per Porsche specs. People are very picky about their seats, they want exactly X seat, with my back issues, 18 ways are best, but on since I track a lot now, I slide around way to much and thus need 6pt harness

 

I’ve heard the opposite that if you don’t have the seats (or whatever) that are on the sticker, resale/trade value takes a serious hit. My SA even mentioned it when I talked about selling them and getting the standard sport seats. Since then, I’ve grown to really appreciate them but I still think about sofas for DD sometimes. Good luck with your search, I am curious to see if you get any takers and what it will take to get them to trade.

 

I dont know what your body size is, but if you slide around too much for the sofas there is a good chance your driving is too violent with transferring weight and you need to work on smoother transitions. I can't think of any car I've driven where I felt I wanted a bucket and harness, and I get stuck driving some absolutely terrible vehicles for the track.

 

Since I started driving, 18 way seats you slide around a lot, hence LWBS is way better.

 

Hmm, so you drive a track with some autocross traits... so I could see your *** moving about in a few spots. No crazy hard transitions or chicanes though, and you're only a bit smaller than me so I'm fairly sure I wouldn't be pining for a bucket seat there. I have enough seat time I think maybe my body understands what to do without even noticing it though so I don't think I'll ever understand the necessity for a bucket. All in all seems ok, but if anything looks too tame to me... so maybe a bucket would legitimately make you faster.

My thoughts are I bet there is still a couple seconds left or more in those michelins you're on. Feel free to ignore but I can't stop myself from picking apart any video I see. You seem to 'coast' in some spots where you could be trail braking it deeper, like corner 1.... or you'd likely be faster if you double apexed corner 1. Your delta says late apexing it is faster (if you tried a double apex before... not sure what else would explain why your delta is so wonky, so i'm guessing your delta comparison is based off a previous double apex lap) but I bet if you double apexed it and got your car to rotate by trail braking slightly into the corner (and then releasing the pedal) to use weight transfer to bring the rear end nicely around so it was aimed correctly on the 2nd apex to put the power down more early you'd drop that half a second you're losing late apexing it... but not put it back on again in the S's like your delta says you did prior. At the very least if you're going to stick with a single apex you should be able to trail brake hard into that corner and extend the straight that much further by being able to brake later.

Carousel would probably be faster trail braking deep into it (probably about half way) but while you look slow you actually keep your speed up nicely in that corner and probably maximized the potential for the last half of it. I think that was nicely done.

I think your oddest corner is probably the 3rd last corner (corner 3 on the track map). Your speed seems to dip really low here and you're just gliding around it it feels like; i'm guessing 4kph slower than need be.

The instructor in me thinks there is probably a second to drop just from those 3 spots

 

Have you tried a CG-Lock or ratcheting the regular belt yet? It made a big difference for me.

 

This is tough one for sure. Lwbs just way better, keeps you from sliding around

 

Any bites yet?

 

People have offered me LWBS seats, but as I talked to my shop, you need about 19 other pieces that comes with it to make a true OEM swap, so 20 items in total need to be changed, its crazy.

 

I was afraid of that, good luck/hope it works out for you.

 

Porsche444,

And those additional 20 items plus Labor at a Porsche Dealership would cost what ???

And that's ^^^ in addition to the cost of the seats.

Terry

 

My Porsche SA said it’s $21,000 per seat, not including the 19 other parts and labor.

might as well swap cars, cheaper and easier, so that’s my direction.

 

Porsche444,

Well just being in the Middle-Class here in the USA I cannot see ever spending that for seats Porsche or not.

There are guys on this RL site that I have no-doubt could make such a purchase and it not effect them in the least financially.


Terry