Very impressive results for the GTS. Not even on a cup tire, not even PDK, and lots of sliding and still a great time.

M2 CS for the price is a huge disappointment. It’s not only expensive for what it is and the quality, but it’s heavy and slow. On the Ring, Sport Auto could only manage a 7:43 on cup tires and it’s making nearly 500 hp too from their dyno results. Not even as fast as the 981 GT4 and the Ring got repaved making times faster since 2018. I couldn’t see myself paying nearly 100K for an M2 when cars like the GTS, GT4/Spyder and base 992 exist.

 

In what alternative universe does a Cayman GTS 4.0 get compared against a Mercedes A45 front wheel drive biased hot hatch? Two completely different types of cars that I cannot ever imagine being cross shopped.

 

Not that I needed another reason, but makes me glad I tossed my 2CS allocation when word came in that I also got a GT4 allocation.

 

So we're now comparing a surgical instrument to nightsticks?

 

Different cars for different uses. Anyone cross shopping those three cars doesn’t know what they want.

 

Very different tires..................Trofeo R on the AMG. MPSC2 on the Bimmer.

 

It’s an odd comparison for sure. More so when you realize the GTS not only is a manual but on an inferior tire yet gobsmacked the AMG and was just off the M2CS which has 100 more hp yet on the same tire or PDK or both it would obliterate it. I generally find those 3.0 BMW i6 engines to be rather sloppy in their power delivery - lot of tq low in the range and a rather uninspiring top end and the sound makes me cringe it’s so bad. I honestly don’t know why anyone would pay 90-100k for an M2 but I guess there’s a sucker born every minute. I also find the artificial “limited edition” factor to be funny.
The AMG is pretty cool though, I will admit.

 

And here is the GT4

 

Thanks. Despite an overwhelmingly better power to weight ratio, the M2 CS is dead on arrival to either the GTS and even more so the GT4. Just imagine what the GT4 is going to do with PDK.
m2 CS is just more garbage from BMW. A car that without the stickier tires would not outperform a Competiton car. Man those guys got HOSED!

 

Dead on arrival to the GTS? Didn’t it turn a 1.3 second faster lap time than the GTS a relatively short track?

I’ve never understood the appeal of the M2, but it’s not slow.

 

They tested the M2 CS on cup tires, with DCT vs a GTS 4.0 on Pzero summers and manual and was sliding around a lot. Add cup tires alone and it’s a dead heat. Add PDK and the GTS is likely 1+ second faster. Obviously the GT4 obliterated it with cup tires and manual and will only be faster with PDK.

The M2 CS is def slow for 3300 lbs and 484 hp. It’s Ring time was 7:43 which is slower than the 981 GT4 was with a manual and 11 seconds slower than a 718 GT4. On top of that, they repacked the Ring in sections making it several seconds faster since 2018 meaning the M2 CS is even slower when compared to the 981 or the 981 would be a couple seconds faster than the time it originally posted. Hell the new Panamera turbo ran 7:29.

I just think the M2 CS is trash. Expensive, not a great quality/fit/finish car and really provides no better performance than a competition car were you to throw cup tires on it.

I used to love their cars, but the stuff they’ve got today is atrocious. To the point that fanboys are even saying the heinous looming M3/4 look good with those beaver grills.

 

Obliterated? It’s only a second faster. The GT4 is a purpose built sports car for the track. The M2CS is a small sporty coupe. And based on the GT4 time, which had Cup2s, the GTS 4.0 will likely be no faster than the M2. Nobody got ‘left for dead’ in this comparison.

 

Only a second? 1 second on a 1:3x lap is a massive delta. Again, the CS is 3300 lbs and nearly 500 hp and 500 tq puts it about the same power to weight of a GT3 yet it’s nowhere in the same stratosphere as one. Once the GT4 gets PDK as an apple to apples it will be 2 plus second faster.

 

No one likes a fanboy for any brand. Stop being one.

The M2CS is just like the M4 GTS was. Overpriced for what it is but for a collector car, you could do worse. Will they move a 2 series at 90k? Enough BMW fans will buy them but they will sit on lots like the M3CS did and get steep discounts to get them out the door. Porsche offers a better package at the price point. To dismiss the M2CS and call it trash is a miss. There’s a lot worse cars out there that also cost 90k.

How do you know it’s a not good fit and finish car? Did you own an M2? I did. Other than the home link mirror rattling on mine, it was a solidly built car without any issues. The N55 is dead reliable. The S55 doesn’t really have widespread issues. Being a 2 series they used worse materials than in the 3series but at the same time it was a 50k car which doesn’t buy you much in terms of nice materials in a 3 series even. Tons of fun on the street which is what it was aimed for. The CS is aimed for track, and there’s better 90k cars for the track.

 

I just don’t think it’s a great package, especially for the price and based on the fact that the Cs doesn’t outperform a Competiton when accounting for tires. I think even the M3/4 CS might have performed worse in some areas than the M3/4 Competiton. Definitely better cars out there for 90k. There are Porsches for less money, C8, TTRS just to name a few.
I owned both an F80 M3 and F82 M4 and looked at an M2 Competiton. The F8xs were rattle traps with cheap leather and a lot of quality issues (Light strips on doors coming undone for one) and they’re built better than the M2. I also just got out of an F90 M5 Competiton and for a 120k car, the quality was not even close to representing the price. My Macan GTS was 50K cheaper and was much more solid by comparison. The M5: it rattled, paint was atrocious, and had pieces that were falling off (ie roof rails were coming undone) and it only had 1800 miles on it at the time I got rid of it. Luckily I leased it...and avoided a 50K depreciation hit.