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Should I Order a UNICORN? / GTS 4.0 with PCCB

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Old 07-17-2020, 04:45 PM
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Originally Posted by Larry Cable
or a spyder...
Strangely enough, for me, the coupe to get is the GT4. The convertible to get is the GTS 4.0.
I've configured multiples of each variant. And now am certain. I think.
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Old 07-17-2020, 04:48 PM
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Originally Posted by Dr.Bill
You can. There are no reasons why you can't.
Oh I daily mine...sort of. Try not to because I got it with a lot of miles...not sure if I'm selling it. But its proving very, very difficult to keep it parked. I was just wondering why others feel like it can't be daily-ed?
Old 07-17-2020, 05:41 PM
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I don’t think it will recuperate $7k on resale if that is what you are asking, but I understand on GTS the PCCB are a big step up in brakes over iron.

I do like unicorns, but a PCCB 4.0 GTS is not the type of unicorn that will be more valuable so I would not think of it that way. They do get you some cars and coffee clout though.

A PTS GT3T without FAL is also a unicorn, a PTS/LTS boxster is a unicorn, but you have to find the unicorn hunter who wants that unicorn.
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Old 07-17-2020, 05:43 PM
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I think you MUST have better things to do with $7000+ than to buy brakes which have in effect NO value to you over the standard ones, AND which in case of anhy failure will cost you more than $10K to fix.

PCCB are BRAKES, and they are functionally no better (or in the most favorable light only slightly better) than the standard ones. AND Porsche brakes are renowned for being superb. My former GT3 would slow down incredibly well for the busstop at Watkins Glen from 150mph to about 80 with the standard brakes. Who needs better than that? And it would do so lap after lap after lap.

Surprise the wife with a super diamond ring or some such with the saved money. You'll get much more enjoyment from that purchase.
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Old 07-17-2020, 06:01 PM
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I would jump back and forth between my PCCB 991.1S and then my non-PCCB 981 Spyder and back again. And every time I would have written a check for $10k on the spot to put PCCBs on that Spyder. There was just no comparison in feel at speed. I swore never again to own a non-PCCB Porsche. I even considered buying the parts and doing the conversion, but it was pushing $20k even with take offs, so I dropped that idea.

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Old 07-17-2020, 06:03 PM
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Originally Posted by colnagoG60
Why can't you daily a GT4?
I don't know, but every one of them for sale seems to have 10k miles after 4 years. Seems like they aren't really getting driven much.
Old 07-17-2020, 06:46 PM
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Originally Posted by bradStyle
What I'm really wondering is what are the benefits of ordering a unicorn? Is it likely to really pay off in resale?
No. You will not get $7400 more for a used GTS with PCCB vs one with irons. Porsche irons are perfectly adequate for both street and track. Many prefer how they feel and modulate vs pccb. I have never had pccb so this is all at least 2nd hand information. May be a good idea to wait for the new Porsche brake tech which will be the upgrade from irons (to replace pccb for non-GT cars) which promises much less brake dust, if that's a concern.

Old 07-17-2020, 07:20 PM
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The only benefit to owning a "unicorn" is bragging rights. If you're not sure about getting PCCB, sounds like you shouldn't.
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Originally Posted by Archimedes
I would jump back and forth between my PCCB 991.1S and then my non-PCCB 981 Spyder and back again. And every time I would have written a check for $10k on the spot to put PCCBs on that Spyder. There was just no comparison in feel at speed. I swore never again to own a non-PCCB Porsche. I even considered buying the parts and doing the conversion, but it was pushing $20k even with take offs, so I dropped that idea.
But wouldn't you agree that the standard 718 Spyder brakes (GT3) are a significant improvement over the standard 981 Spyder brakes?
Old 07-17-2020, 09:22 PM
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Originally Posted by Gatch
But wouldn't you agree that the standard 718 Spyder brakes (GT3) are a significant improvement over the standard 981 Spyder brakes?
I’m sure they’re somewhat better but the 981 Spyder had Carrera S brakes so it was a direct comparison. The 781 PCCBs are also better than the 981 Spyder PCCBs.

My advice is, if you are not going to get PCCBs, do not test drive a car with them for any length of time.
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Old 07-17-2020, 09:27 PM
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Originally Posted by Archimedes
My advice is, if you are not going to get PCCBs, do not test drive a car with them for any length of time.
But do you think that just doing a back-to-back test drive of comparable Caymans, with and without PCCBs, will be enough to cultivate a feel for their nuances and to make an informed decision? I always assumed, perhaps wrongly, that perception of these differences was cultivated over time, and that until I'd owned both I'd be making a leap of faith one way or another.
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For a GTS, I would rather spend the money on CF buckets. or full leather instead.
Old 07-17-2020, 09:34 PM
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Another "value" thread. Geez. Buy what satisfies you; and only you. Don't buy for the next guy. Regardless of what some on here, RL, want you to think. Its your $$ and your satisfaction in the end.
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Old 07-17-2020, 09:38 PM
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No. The pccb on the gts 4.0 are way smaller than the gt4. And the gts already gets same size irons as 991.2 gts. I would be hard pressed to spend that much for the lesser version
Old 07-17-2020, 10:11 PM
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Originally Posted by bradStyle
But do you think that just doing a back-to-back test drive of comparable Caymans, with and without PCCBs, will be enough to cultivate a feel for their nuances and to make an informed decision? I always assumed, perhaps wrongly, that perception of these differences was cultivated over time, and that until I'd owned both I'd be making a leap of faith one way or another.
Take them both down a windy road where you have to brake from say 80 down to 35 for corner. See which one is easier to set the corner entry speed exactly where you want it. If you don’t notice any difference, get the iron rotors.
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