Trying to decide between 718 Cayman GTS and 992
07-01-2018, 10:31 AM
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Trying to decide between 718 Cayman GTS and 992
Hi all, I'm a new prospective Porsche owner and was hoping to get some advice. I recently bought a new F80 M3 (fully loaded) as my daily driver kid-hauling sedan. I actually love the F80 but have already starting looking for a weekend fun car that I'd like to stick with for at least 5 years if not longer. After much internal debate and feedback from friends, I've eliminated a TT RS, F-Type R and Lotus Evora 400 from consideration and narrowed it down to either (1) order a 718 Cayman GTS or (2) wait to order the new 992 C4S.
I'm planning to test drive the GTS later this week (which will be my first time driving a Porsche) and I should probably also drive a 991.2 C4S for comparison purposes. My hesitations on pulling the trigger now on the GTS are (1) will I notice much performance difference over the F80 and, if not, would it even matter given the GTS' other redeeming qualities, (2) will I want to "upgrade" to a 992 in a couple of years so it's not worth buying a GTS now and suffering the depreciation hit plus additional expenses (e.g., full PPF which I always do, etc.), (3) I really want sapphire blue which I understand has been discontinued as a standard color and I'm not interested in paying $11k for a custom color so could waiting be beneficial until Porsche introduces a new blue.
Any thoughts on my "dilemma" would be much appreciated.
I'm planning to test drive the GTS later this week (which will be my first time driving a Porsche) and I should probably also drive a 991.2 C4S for comparison purposes. My hesitations on pulling the trigger now on the GTS are (1) will I notice much performance difference over the F80 and, if not, would it even matter given the GTS' other redeeming qualities, (2) will I want to "upgrade" to a 992 in a couple of years so it's not worth buying a GTS now and suffering the depreciation hit plus additional expenses (e.g., full PPF which I always do, etc.), (3) I really want sapphire blue which I understand has been discontinued as a standard color and I'm not interested in paying $11k for a custom color so could waiting be beneficial until Porsche introduces a new blue.
Any thoughts on my "dilemma" would be much appreciated.
07-01-2018, 11:22 AM
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718s and 99*s are not cross-shopped very much. Two different markets. Two very different cars. Two very different price points.
You can get a 718 now. 992 C4S is 18 months away minimum. You won’t even be able to order one until this time next year best case.
You could lease a 718 and the lease would end just about the time a C4S could roll off the boat.
Sapphire Blue: keep waiting, Porsche will probably come out with another blue in the next few months. It might be as good as SB.
Or start dredging the used market for a Sapphire 718 or 99*.*.
Advice?
The most financially-prudent way to by a Porsche is to buy a used one. Based on your post and since this would be your first Porsche, I’m going to go out on a limb and say that you don’t really know what you want anyway: no sense in ordering a new one and changing out in a year or two. Get one that’s a year or three old. You can do that a couple of times and then, when you know for sure what you want order new.
You can get a 718 now. 992 C4S is 18 months away minimum. You won’t even be able to order one until this time next year best case.
You could lease a 718 and the lease would end just about the time a C4S could roll off the boat.
Sapphire Blue: keep waiting, Porsche will probably come out with another blue in the next few months. It might be as good as SB.
Or start dredging the used market for a Sapphire 718 or 99*.*.
Advice?
The most financially-prudent way to by a Porsche is to buy a used one. Based on your post and since this would be your first Porsche, I’m going to go out on a limb and say that you don’t really know what you want anyway: no sense in ordering a new one and changing out in a year or two. Get one that’s a year or three old. You can do that a couple of times and then, when you know for sure what you want order new.
07-01-2018, 02:15 PM
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Hi all, I'm a new prospective Porsche owner and was hoping to get some advice. I recently bought a new F80 M3 (fully loaded) as my daily driver kid-hauling sedan. I actually love the F80 but have already starting looking for a weekend fun car that I'd like to stick with for at least 5 years if not longer. After much internal debate and feedback from friends, I've eliminated a TT RS, F-Type R and Lotus Evora 400 from consideration and narrowed it down to either (1) order a 718 Cayman GTS or (2) wait to order the new 992 C4S.
I'm planning to test drive the GTS later this week (which will be my first time driving a Porsche) and I should probably also drive a 991.2 C4S for comparison purposes. My hesitations on pulling the trigger now on the GTS are (1) will I notice much performance difference over the F80 and, if not, would it even matter given the GTS' other redeeming qualities, (2) will I want to "upgrade" to a 992 in a couple of years so it's not worth buying a GTS now and suffering the depreciation hit plus additional expenses (e.g., full PPF which I always do, etc.), (3) I really want sapphire blue which I understand has been discontinued as a standard color and I'm not interested in paying $11k for a custom color so could waiting be beneficial until Porsche introduces a new blue.
Any thoughts on my "dilemma" would be much appreciated.
I'm planning to test drive the GTS later this week (which will be my first time driving a Porsche) and I should probably also drive a 991.2 C4S for comparison purposes. My hesitations on pulling the trigger now on the GTS are (1) will I notice much performance difference over the F80 and, if not, would it even matter given the GTS' other redeeming qualities, (2) will I want to "upgrade" to a 992 in a couple of years so it's not worth buying a GTS now and suffering the depreciation hit plus additional expenses (e.g., full PPF which I always do, etc.), (3) I really want sapphire blue which I understand has been discontinued as a standard color and I'm not interested in paying $11k for a custom color so could waiting be beneficial until Porsche introduces a new blue.
Any thoughts on my "dilemma" would be much appreciated.
07-01-2018, 03:14 PM
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Why a C4S? A Carrera S would be a more direct comparison.
The 911 engine is in the wrong place. Nothing handles like a Cayman, and the GTS now has ample power.
I disagree on the post about 99*’s and Caymans not being cross-shopped. My CGTS was $100k out the door and it would not have been a reach for me to look at a C2S or other 99* model - it was the size, handling and look of the Chalk CGTS that pushed my hand that way.
Good luck.
The 911 engine is in the wrong place. Nothing handles like a Cayman, and the GTS now has ample power.
I disagree on the post about 99*’s and Caymans not being cross-shopped. My CGTS was $100k out the door and it would not have been a reach for me to look at a C2S or other 99* model - it was the size, handling and look of the Chalk CGTS that pushed my hand that way.
Good luck.
07-01-2018, 03:35 PM
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718s and 99*s are not cross-shopped very much. Two different markets. Two very different cars. Two very different price points.
You can get a 718 now. 992 C4S is 18 months away minimum. You won’t even be able to order one until this time next year best case.
You could lease a 718 and the lease would end just about the time a C4S could roll off the boat.
Sapphire Blue: keep waiting, Porsche will probably come out with another blue in the next few months. It might be as good as SB.
Or start dredging the used market for a Sapphire 718 or 99*.*.
Advice?
The most financially-prudent way to by a Porsche is to buy a used one. Based on your post and since this would be your first Porsche, I’m going to go out on a limb and say that you don’t really know what you want anyway: no sense in ordering a new one and changing out in a year or two. Get one that’s a year or three old. You can do that a couple of times and then, when you know for sure what you want order new.
You can get a 718 now. 992 C4S is 18 months away minimum. You won’t even be able to order one until this time next year best case.
You could lease a 718 and the lease would end just about the time a C4S could roll off the boat.
Sapphire Blue: keep waiting, Porsche will probably come out with another blue in the next few months. It might be as good as SB.
Or start dredging the used market for a Sapphire 718 or 99*.*.
Advice?
The most financially-prudent way to by a Porsche is to buy a used one. Based on your post and since this would be your first Porsche, I’m going to go out on a limb and say that you don’t really know what you want anyway: no sense in ordering a new one and changing out in a year or two. Get one that’s a year or three old. You can do that a couple of times and then, when you know for sure what you want order new.
07-01-2018, 03:43 PM
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What type of driver are you? Do you ever auto-x competitively or do track days? If so, then I'd lean towards the 718 as the mid-engine layout has phenomenal handling dynamics. But if you're not that level of driver, you might not even notice the handling difference at which point you might just want a big power car which would put you in a 911. Those are my thoughts/opinions.
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Why a C4S? A Carrera S would be a more direct comparison.
The 911 engine is in the wrong place. Nothing handles like a Cayman, and the GTS now has ample power.
I disagree on the post about 99*’s and Caymans not being cross-shopped. My CGTS was $100k out the door and it would not have been a reach for me to look at a C2S or other 99* model - it was the size, handling and look of the Chalk CGTS that pushed my hand that way.
Good luck.
The 911 engine is in the wrong place. Nothing handles like a Cayman, and the GTS now has ample power.
I disagree on the post about 99*’s and Caymans not being cross-shopped. My CGTS was $100k out the door and it would not have been a reach for me to look at a C2S or other 99* model - it was the size, handling and look of the Chalk CGTS that pushed my hand that way.
Good luck.
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From what I've observed over the years, most folks either gravitate towards the mid-engine because of the architecture regardless of price (or simply the lower price point) OR they gravitate towards the 991 "because 911, icon, the only REAL Porsche blah blah blah" or because they want rear seats. Those folks don't cross-shop; their minds are pretty much made up even if they force themselves to think about the 'other' one.
There IS overlap but that subset seems to be composed of folks that appreciate the specific differences between the two and weigh trade-offs.
07-01-2018, 07:06 PM
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Hi all, I'm a new prospective Porsche owner and was hoping to get some advice. I recently bought a new F80 M3 (fully loaded) as my daily driver kid-hauling sedan. I actually love the F80 but have already starting looking for a weekend fun car that I'd like to stick with for at least 5 years if not longer. After much internal debate and feedback from friends, I've eliminated a TT RS, F-Type R and Lotus Evora 400 from consideration and narrowed it down to either (1) order a 718 Cayman GTS or (2) wait to order the new 992 C4S.
I'm planning to test drive the GTS later this week (which will be my first time driving a Porsche) and I should probably also drive a 991.2 C4S for comparison purposes. My hesitations on pulling the trigger now on the GTS are (1) will I notice much performance difference over the F80 and, if not, would it even matter given the GTS' other redeeming qualities, (2) will I want to "upgrade" to a 992 in a couple of years so it's not worth buying a GTS now and suffering the depreciation hit plus additional expenses (e.g., full PPF which I always do, etc.), (3) I really want sapphire blue which I understand has been discontinued as a standard color and I'm not interested in paying $11k for a custom color so could waiting be beneficial until Porsche introduces a new blue.
Any thoughts on my "dilemma" would be much appreciated.
I'm planning to test drive the GTS later this week (which will be my first time driving a Porsche) and I should probably also drive a 991.2 C4S for comparison purposes. My hesitations on pulling the trigger now on the GTS are (1) will I notice much performance difference over the F80 and, if not, would it even matter given the GTS' other redeeming qualities, (2) will I want to "upgrade" to a 992 in a couple of years so it's not worth buying a GTS now and suffering the depreciation hit plus additional expenses (e.g., full PPF which I always do, etc.), (3) I really want sapphire blue which I understand has been discontinued as a standard color and I'm not interested in paying $11k for a custom color so could waiting be beneficial until Porsche introduces a new blue.
Any thoughts on my "dilemma" would be much appreciated.
Steelesm, I might have a possible solution for you. Porsche West Broward has a new 2018 Sapphire Blue Cayman GTS in their showroom for sale. It is a loaded car that is very striking. They have had it for about a month now and you can probably get 6% or more off on the car. There are very few Sapphire Blue Cayman GTS cars available.
The reason I chose a Cayman over a 911 is because of the handling. I like the dual trunks and I do not need the the small rear seats. But you should drive both and come up with your own opinion because they drive different from each other. Good luck finding your car.
The reason I chose a Cayman over a 911 is because of the handling. I like the dual trunks and I do not need the the small rear seats. But you should drive both and come up with your own opinion because they drive different from each other. Good luck finding your car.
07-01-2018, 11:43 PM
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Also, if you're not driving on a drag strip you will never need to worry about RWD traction "off the line" in these cars (weight is over the middle/rear). The only spinning I get is flooring it when it's sopping wet.
You might as well wait this year out already given how little you're going to drive it.
The 992 will be nice, but it's not going to be a lot departed from the 991.2. If you can find a New MY2018 991.2 next spring sitting on a lot with the options you want, you'll be able to get a nice discount as well. The 992 won't have ANY good discounts from dealers.
The GTS will feel plenty powerful compared to the F80 - it's roughly 500lbs lighter and only down 50-75hp. It's also a lot better balanced for chucking it around turns. A 991.2 C4S is about 250lbs lighter, and a C2S is 350lbs lighter (both with roughly the same power as the F80). I'm betting you the GTS will feel like a more dramatic change of a car than a 991.2 would
07-02-2018, 11:13 AM
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With how you'll be driving it (no track, no winter) you definitely don't need AWD - I'd take that out of your requirements (will save you weight, and roughly $10k on a 911).
Also, if you're not driving on a drag strip you will never need to worry about RWD traction "off the line" in these cars (weight is over the middle/rear). The only spinning I get is flooring it when it's sopping wet.
You might as well wait this year out already given how little you're going to drive it.
The 992 will be nice, but it's not going to be a lot departed from the 991.2. If you can find a New MY2018 991.2 next spring sitting on a lot with the options you want, you'll be able to get a nice discount as well. The 992 won't have ANY good discounts from dealers.
The GTS will feel plenty powerful compared to the F80 - it's roughly 500lbs lighter and only down 50-75hp. It's also a lot better balanced for chucking it around turns. A 991.2 C4S is about 250lbs lighter, and a C2S is 350lbs lighter (both with roughly the same power as the F80). I'm betting you the GTS will feel like a more dramatic change of a car than a 991.2 would
Also, if you're not driving on a drag strip you will never need to worry about RWD traction "off the line" in these cars (weight is over the middle/rear). The only spinning I get is flooring it when it's sopping wet.
You might as well wait this year out already given how little you're going to drive it.
The 992 will be nice, but it's not going to be a lot departed from the 991.2. If you can find a New MY2018 991.2 next spring sitting on a lot with the options you want, you'll be able to get a nice discount as well. The 992 won't have ANY good discounts from dealers.
The GTS will feel plenty powerful compared to the F80 - it's roughly 500lbs lighter and only down 50-75hp. It's also a lot better balanced for chucking it around turns. A 991.2 C4S is about 250lbs lighter, and a C2S is 350lbs lighter (both with roughly the same power as the F80). I'm betting you the GTS will feel like a more dramatic change of a car than a 991.2 would
07-02-2018, 01:21 PM
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I know lots of people buy for the colour (me!--I was willing to wait) but the performance and comfort options were actually more important to me. I've also bought cars in colours I wouldn't have chosen, and often learned to love them.
So...drive the cars, buy the on that stirs you the most.
So...drive the cars, buy the on that stirs you the most.
07-02-2018, 06:53 PM
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No problem, if you are getting ventilated leather seats then definitely look for another car. The Alcantara seats are GTS model exclusive. I wish I could have talked Porsche into ventilated Alcantara seats for my car but they were not interested. Let us know what car you finally decide to purchase.