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Old 09-12-2006, 04:38 PM
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I've owned this 97 993 C2 for a year now and all of sudden after putting 4K miles (currently has 74K miles) the CEL came on. I took it to the mechanic and reported that I have the1411 code - SAI (passenger side). He reset it and came back in about a week. He recommended to perform the following:

R/R Engine & Trans
R/R Heads for Cleaning & Recon
Replace Cyclinder head Studs
Recondition Heads w/guides, etc
6 EXH Valves
Gasket Set
Cyl Head Studs
Clutch

Can some make heads or tails on what these above service is he planning to perform in this rebuild? Are they all necessary? He did inform me that the 1411 code will not impact performance of the vehicle but will need to be done before my next emission test. Looking for any other suggestion to get over this EXPENSIVe hump.
Old 09-12-2006, 04:39 PM
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Do a search on the dreaded SAI flush. I believe www.p-car.com has a DIY

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Old 09-12-2006, 04:43 PM
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Originally Posted by microfly
I've owned this 97 993 C2 for a year now and all of sudden after putting 4K miles (currently has 74K miles) the CEL came on. I took it to the mechanic and reported that I have the1411 code - SAI (passenger side). He reset it and came back in about a week. He recommended to perform the following:

R/R Engine & Trans
R/R Heads for Cleaning & Recon
Replace Cyclinder head Studs
Recondition Heads w/guides, etc
6 EXH Valves
Gasket Set
Cyl Head Studs
Clutch

Can some make heads or tails on what these above service is he planning to perform in this rebuild? Are they all necessary? He did inform me that the 1411 code will not impact performance of the vehicle but will need to be done before my next emission test. Looking for any other suggestion to get over this EXPENSIVe hump.
Does he have kids? Sounds like he's trying to get you to put them thru' college.
Old 09-12-2006, 05:04 PM
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Great info in the archives. Search is your friend here. I had the flush done 45K miles ago and I am still clean (no CEL).

Best of Luck
Old 09-12-2006, 05:18 PM
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A topend rebuild will surely solve the clogged port, but may be completely unnecesary. If your oil comsumption is within spec and you don't have excessive valve play, then I'd question why a topend is required. If you are a DIYer, you can replace the SAI check valve and flush the ports yourself for several hundred dollars and typically several days work. A search will help you find many relevant threads here as well as the DIY on www.p-car.com.

If you're not a DIYer, some shops will also perform this flush, typically charging in the $1K range. Still, that's better than a $5-6K rebuild.

Good luck!
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Flush is the way to go...........9k with no problems.
Old 09-12-2006, 05:30 PM
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Save yourself $10K
Get the car registered in Florida, we have no emission tests anymore. Chris
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Originally Posted by epj993
A topend rebuild will surely solve the clogged port, but may be completely unnecesary. If your oil comsumption is within spec and you don't have excessive valve play, then I'd question why a topend is required. If you are a DIYer, you can replace the SAI check valve and flush the ports yourself for several hundred dollars and typically several days work. A search will help you find many relevant threads here as well as the DIY on www.p-car.com.

If you're not a DIYer, some shops will also perform this flush, typically charging in the $1K range. Still, that's better than a $5-6K rebuild.

Good luck!
I'll echo what Eric said... unless your mechanic really checked the valve play and you know your oil consumption is higher than spec, a rebuild is likely unnecessary.

Try to find a shop that has successful experience with the SAI flush and go that route.
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Seems way over the top. I would get a second opinion.
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Is there any other reason he suggested a top end overhaul other than the SAI fault code. If not..he is probably taking you to the cleaners. The DIY is time consuming but fun
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Here is the link:

http://p-car.com/diy/sai/1/sai.htm
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Default SAI Flush - Anyone in Portland, Oregon

Thanks everyone for all your replies and suggestions. I really appreciate it. Can anyone recommend a Mechanic that would perform the SAI flush around the Portland, Oregon metropolitan?

Thanks again!
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I think your mechanic has his eye on a new 997 and needs the money
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the flush is a good place to start, but if the ports are really plugged up it will not work. if it doesn't work, and you need a valve job in the end then you just added another $1k to your bill (if it does work, you will have saved a lot of $).
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Your mechanic is a liar and a cheat. Find a new one.


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