when cars hit in a DE, who's responsible legaliy? and Etiquette?
08-26-2016, 05:25 PM
#91
Sean- yes that was terrible on the East course years ago. I was inches away. My 2 cents My question has always been if you know there is a issue with your car (glued fittings) and you don't address it because you are in denial or Negligent = stupid
& you dump antifreeze everywhere & cars wreck? . Track waiver says too bad? That was my issue with DE and the fittings. - if you know there is a problem with your vehicle and you cause damage to others .... jez.
I've seen contact- I've only seen a few guys step up to pay.
& you dump antifreeze everywhere & cars wreck? . Track waiver says too bad? That was my issue with DE and the fittings. - if you know there is a problem with your vehicle and you cause damage to others .... jez.
I've seen contact- I've only seen a few guys step up to pay.
Last edited by Gofishracing; 08-26-2016 at 06:01 PM.
08-26-2016, 06:24 PM
#92
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Sean- yes that was terrible on the East course years ago. I was inches away. My 2 cents My question has always been if you know there is a issue with your car (glued fittings) and you don't address it because you are in denial or Negligent = stupid
& you dump antifreeze everywhere & cars wreck? . Track waiver says too bad? That was my issue with DE and the fittings. - if you know there is a problem with your vehicle and you cause damage to others .... jez.
I've seen contact- I've only seen a few guys step up to pay.
& you dump antifreeze everywhere & cars wreck? . Track waiver says too bad? That was my issue with DE and the fittings. - if you know there is a problem with your vehicle and you cause damage to others .... jez.
I've seen contact- I've only seen a few guys step up to pay.
It's a dangerous sport and you have assume the risk, or you dont belong out there. its not the PCA or SCCA or the track owners job to protect you on the track while you are driving against stupidity, negligence or even intent to cause you harm.
Look, i almost lost my life and lost my car, due to someone being STUPID and the SCCA allowing such an idiot to even be on the track. I never once held even the guy that hit me, accountable. why?? because i know the risks and accept them and trust that i can keep myself , 99% of the time, out of harms way. that was the 1% that caught up with me. Sure, i mentioned stricter standards for drivers and car performance disparity, to the SCCA, but it fell on def ears. its a street fight out there. get used to it, or as 85 gold says, pick up golf.
To me DE driving is just like defensive driving on the highway, be observant and prepared for anything. I do not expect anything from the other drivers and assume ALL risks involved with driving on the track. If YOU are not comfortable with this then you need to take up golf and get hit with *****. 
Peter
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08-26-2016, 06:56 PM
#94
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08-26-2016, 06:56 PM
#95
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If a guy who has never been to a HPDE hears that he's on the hook for some dudes $100,000 car (and that he has no control over the value of the cars on track with him) if he makes a mistake, then I hope everyone is ready for private track days.
08-26-2016, 07:01 PM
#96
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Lol! Yeah the Cobra was clearly at fault.
I wasn't happy but he came up and offered to pay for all the damages of his own volition. I was happily surprised but didn't expect him to.
It was a nice gesture that I would've reciprocated had the shoe been on the other foot.
That said, there's a reason I track a ~$15k E36 M3 vs a mega bucks GT3. I'm not willing to lose the GT3 on the track.
Given how many are at the events I go to I wonder how many of the owners are in blissful ignorance. Or maybe they've bought Lockton track insurance...
I wasn't happy but he came up and offered to pay for all the damages of his own volition. I was happily surprised but didn't expect him to.
It was a nice gesture that I would've reciprocated had the shoe been on the other foot.
That said, there's a reason I track a ~$15k E36 M3 vs a mega bucks GT3. I'm not willing to lose the GT3 on the track.
Given how many are at the events I go to I wonder how many of the owners are in blissful ignorance. Or maybe they've bought Lockton track insurance...
08-26-2016, 07:04 PM
#98
+1
If I'm the cause I hope I have the honor and financial where with all to step up and take responsibility to the best of my ability. But I will fight to defend that honor if someone tries to take advantage and sees it as a weakness.
At least thats how I think my mom has raised me; as a responsible adult.
If I'm the cause I hope I have the honor and financial where with all to step up and take responsibility to the best of my ability. But I will fight to defend that honor if someone tries to take advantage and sees it as a weakness.
At least thats how I think my mom has raised me; as a responsible adult.
08-26-2016, 07:12 PM
#99
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08-26-2016, 07:16 PM
#100
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08-26-2016, 07:17 PM
#101
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08-26-2016, 07:45 PM
#102
The problem is that by doing this, you get people saying that it is the "honorable" thing to do which suggests that not doing so is "dishonorable". This leads to people thinking that since it is "honorable" it should be expected.
08-26-2016, 08:01 PM
#103
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I think we see every day that there is very little honor left in our world. It's rare even to hear "thank you" any more. I don't believe this sort of "above and beyond" described above can ever be expected...
08-26-2016, 08:06 PM
#104
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I'd love to be able to say if I screw up in front of a 458 and I collect him I'd pay for it. I can't.
But I also don't track the most expensive car I can buy and if I lost the Miata I'd keep on trucking without help from someone else.
It's complicated.
But I also don't track the most expensive car I can buy and if I lost the Miata I'd keep on trucking without help from someone else.
It's complicated.
08-26-2016, 08:06 PM
#105
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Rich guys can afford to be honorable. Most folks, by your definition, can't...
The richer you are, the more honorable you stand to be...
So a guy driving a Lamborghini damages a 944, and pays. He is more honorable than the the guy in the 944 that swipes a 997 if he doesn't offer to pay?
I hear what you are saying, and it nice that folks offer to pay. But setting that expectation is scary...
Especially as it seems the guys in the expensive cars drive closer to the edge, at faster speeds...