10 GT3

Now that I am running track tires, I am losing my brakes after about 20 minutes at the track. I am still running stock Porsche pads and I am looking to do 1 of 2 things:

1. Go to a different set of pads for street and track or
2. Go to a different set of pads to swap at the track only

I would appreciate comments about any negatives for any pads listed, ie: noice, vibration, poor low speed or poor cold performance. I am looking for feedback on other peoples experiences.

Thanks

Steve Weiner-Rennsport Systems

Hi:

Without question, the stock, OEM pads will not hold up for any track use on these cars so you should plan on swapping in race pads for those DE events.

I would:

1) Install Pagid Orange or Yellow pads

2) Flush your brake fluid before every event, depending on how hard you drive. I'd use either ATE Type 200, Super Blue or Castrol SRF.

RayGT3

I use the pagid "Sport Pads", they are blue but do not confuse them with Pagid "blues" they are two different compounds. I use them on the street and track. A bit noisy on the street but more than acceptable performance wise, on the track. Much better than the OE comfort pads. This was the best "trade off" solution I could come up with. You can call Pagid directly for specific information regarding these guys, they're always very helpful when answering tech questions.

If you can't live with this type of solution I refer you to the previous suggestions of descrete racing and street pads. That's always the best solution, performance wise.

Steve Weiner-Rennsport Systems

Ray uses the Pagid 4-2-1 pads; i.e. Sport's. Those are a decent dual purpose pad that hold up very well for all kinds of street driving and mild track useage.

If you are tough on brakes, I'd suggest either the Pagid 4-4 (Orange) or the Pagid RS-19 (Yellow) as both are far more suitable for DE events.

We use and sell all 3 types around here,...

Bob Rouleau

I second Steve, I run Pagid Rs 19 or Rs-29 pads street and track. They are endurance racing pads and work very well. A nice set up is RS 19 in front and 29 in the back. This produces better brake bias. The OEM comfort pads should NEVER be used on the track. Dealers have been warned about this. They overheat and can (and do) crask and fall apart when they cool. Think metal to metal and no brakes plus new rotors.

10 GT3

I heard that the Porsche Performance pads are actually Pagid Blues...good overall performance, but fairly noise. Can anyone confirm?

kc996

I started using the Hawk HP Plus. Much better than stock on the track. Squeaks a little on the street.
k

10 GT3

Well, I'm down to 5 pads as a street/track compromise:

Hawk HPS
Hawk HP Plus
Hawk Blue 9012
Pagid "S" Blue (sport)
Pagid RS 4-2-1 Blue

If I wanted just a track only pad I would go Pagid Orange. I believe the Pagid "S" Blue pads are what the Porsche Performance pads are.

bruinbro

Everyone I run with uses the PF-97's. Going to switch from my Porterfield R-11's next week. The Porterfields are supposedly great pads, they just don't work with my car.

Bro

10 GT3

I have personally had some quality problems with multiple sets of Performance Friction pads. After having a couple of sets separate from the backing plates, split and one set that the slots in the backing plates were so far off they wouldn't even slide in the caliper; I will never use PF's again.

On street cars, I really like running Axxis/PBR Deluxe pads. I have tried them on 3 different cars, both FWD and RWD. I've had consistantly good results with them. They have so much initial bite cold and hot. They are the best pad I've ever seen for autocrossing. While they are great on the street and short sprints, they aren't a good track pad. I had horrible experiences with Metal Masters (very noisy, grindy, poor cold and low speed performance). Axxis Ultimate's have a pretty bad rep for 996's, so Axxis is out.

10 GT3

Revised list:

Hawk HP Plus
Hawk Blue 9012
Pagid "S" Blue (sport)
Pagid RS 4-2-1 Black
Porterfield R-4S
Porterfield R-4

I am starting to lean toward the Portefields. Anyone have experiences with R-4's or R-4S' on a 996? From everything I have read, there is a general consensus that Hawk HP Plus and Porterfield R-4S' are the best run-all-the-time (street and track) pads.

VZ935

I agree with what Steve said , though I do like Portorfield pads...I do not have a 996 based car but I run them on my 935's...consistent . I run Pagid on my 993 GTR and I have won a couple of PCA braking awards out breaking all the 996 GT3 R and RS's at a few events.

Also.. do you have any cooling to your front brakes ?

10 GT3

All 996 have brake ducts in front mounted to the front control arms. GT3 and GT3 RS cars have larger versions with the RS being the largest. GT3 and RS ducts are direct bolt-ons to all 996's.

Paul 996

Anyone know who carries the Hawk HP Plus pads for 996's ? Have been using them on my M3 the past 7 years and swear by them for all the time street/track and just purchased a 996 and want these pads. Any suggestions?

Thanks.

keith

Interesting - I've almost come to consider PAGID Orange to be a "compromise" pad. In other words, there isn't really a good street AND track pad, once you need track pads at the track.

Incidentally, I believe PBR/Axxis is the exact same line - and the Ultimates are a good AutoX pad, which means absolutely not for the track.

As far as the Performance Friction issues, were these 97s? We used them extensively in Grand Am, NEVER an issue. Also on my personal track car - GREAT pads. Didn't overheat, wore well, easy on the rest of the brake system.