Originally Posted by Accel Junky

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Final item...the owner that traded it in clearly knew about the track damage from this thread as I can see his posts. It's pretty damn shameful that he traded that car in knowing this so a person like me could take 2 unpaid days off work and waste my f***ing time, money, ire of my wife and child, and additional miles on my GT4 which is going to be sold/traded so those are precious at this time. I know you got screwed yourself, but the appropriate thing to do would've been take legal action against the original dealer to recover and then disclose the sale of the car this time around. I bought a car like this before...an NSX...found it it was wrecked/ill repaired later but I fixed it to the best of my ability and fully disclosed when I got rid of it. I was told you were an army officer (I'm a Marine myself)...that's pretty beneath such a respected position to hide such a monumental fact (again if that is your position it is only what I was told, but for any decent human regardless).

Originally Posted by abcut973

Well I don't know if you can hold the owner responsible for that missed history on the car. I think any human being would have done the same in this case. Imagine the gt4 you are trading in for that speed yellow gt3 was damaged and carfax was "clean". What would you do? Tell the dealer your car is damaged and get hit on the trade in value?
I think it was the responsibility of the dealer to do his homework on the car before the transaction. For once dealership got screwed.... it is a premiere! Which is hard to believe
Enjoy your new ride

Originally Posted by Bob Rouleau

Since when is a tracked car so undesirable especially since it was thoroughly maintained as evidenced by the service records? All my cars have been tracked and overmaintained and none of the buyers of my 996 GT3, 2007 RS, 2010 RS have any complaints. Insisting on a Garage queen GT3 is a lot like insisting that your bride to be must be a virgin.

A dented fender or whatever if properly repaired does not make the car a salvage title.

Originally Posted by Bob Rouleau

Since when is a tracked car so undesirable especially since it was thoroughly maintained as evidenced by the service records? All my cars have been tracked and overmaintained and none of the buyers of my 996 GT3, 2007 RS, 2010 RS have any complaints. Insisting on a Garage queen GT3 is a lot like insisting that your bride to be must be a virgin

Originally Posted by Accel Junky

Well, the $50k in prior undisclosed damage is hard to get past. Then if you deduce the number of track miles the car had based on the track-related service records you would be further put off as these engine can only handle so many hours of track use before they need to be yanked and serviced.

I think it's the combination of those two things plus the general condition and ragged out feeling I had driving it that did me in.

Originally Posted by Accel Junky

OK, I have a big update for this car in case anyone is looking in the future.

Porsche of Huntsville was not aware of the damage. Evidently they took it in on trade at an amount that would severely screw them so I doubt they knew about it.

I reviewed all of the car's dealer service records back to the beginning. Forgive me but the car was a track **** for the 2nd owner. Multiple times per month over the course of about 2011-2014 the car was in and out of Napelton for all kinds of track maintenance, prep, etc... They even transported the car frequently for the owner and provided trackside assistance at a cost. Many installs of Hoosiers. He would have them swap out the stock wheels to the "race" wheels back and forth. Basically looks like he did not touch his own car, cost no object.

The records were specific enough to indicate which tracks the car was being prepped/teched for etc...

This car has absolutely been pillaged on the track and I could tell when I drove it that it had seen a hard life...similar to a Nurburgring/Spa Exige rental I had that had been in service for years of track only use.

I ended up staying over night in Huntsville with a fellow that I sold one of my old NSXs so that we could work out the financing and the GT4 trade in the morning. Fortunately this gave me a chance to stumble upon this thread since the VIN is not listed here. I don't know if there is a policy against that or something, otherwise I would post it.

I went into the dealer in the morning and laid everything out for them. They seemed pretty shocked, so I believe Huntsville had no idea of the previous track damage and the extend to which it has seen track use. Unfortunately i did not want the car for a 1 for 1 trade with the GT4 but I told them I would be willing to pay rebuilt salvage price for the car (like $50-60k ish) because I would be eating the money if I ever sold it and of course disclosed this info (which is easy to find now if you just google "cobalt blue GT3). They would be so upside down on it if they did this so naturally I bailed but they are now aware of the car so I'm not sure how they are going to unload it without duping someone otherwise I would think they would've taken my offer and had my GT4 to flip to boot.

Final item...the owner that traded it in clearly knew about the track damage from this thread as I can see his posts. It's pretty damn shameful that he traded that car in knowing this so a person like me could take 2 unpaid days off work and waste my f***ing time, money, ire of my wife and child, and additional miles on my GT4 which is going to be sold/traded so those are precious at this time. I know you got screwed yourself, but the appropriate thing to do would've been take legal action against the original dealer to recover and then disclose the sale of the car this time around. I bought a car like this before...an NSX...found it it was wrecked/ill repaired later but I fixed it to the best of my ability and fully disclosed when I got rid of it. I was told you were an army officer (I'm a Marine myself)...that's pretty beneath such a respected position to hide such a monumental fact (again if that is your position it is only what I was told, but for any decent human regardless).

Originally Posted by Robert Ocampo

I just drove the car an hour ago. It drives great,thinking of trading my 996 turbo. They are planning on sending car to auction. Should I run? I have a track car already. I would use the gt3 for limited driving during the week and occasional track days. It would have to be a great deal knowing You could never get more than 60k for the car.