Update - keeping it!
03-23-2017, 01:53 PM
#31
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That is the thing though, the Corvette has been a 911 competitor for a long time, the Mustang was/is a pony car, Ford doesn't market the car as a luxury sports car, it is a very fun, fast, pony car (well the 350 and such are fun & fast) whereas Chevy badges the Corvette as a refined sports car that kind of bugs me.
No you can't test drive them, no you can't drive them below 50 degrees even if you show proof of funds and have a deposit down, etc etc (at least dealers in Mi), the "owners don't even like the dealer taking off the plastic from the factory" (is what we were told three times, by different dealers, keep in mind this is from a owner of many other new Vett's in the past). I go to the Porsche dealer, ask to look at a Cayman S (about 30k more than a Vett) the sales guy throws me the keys, say's a plates on it and have fun. No I'm not kidding (helps I've seen him many times at PCA events, but I digress. Not sure how I got on this tangent lol.
Big question, how do you not rev the GT350 to red-line every shift? They sound so amazing
No you can't test drive them, no you can't drive them below 50 degrees even if you show proof of funds and have a deposit down, etc etc (at least dealers in Mi), the "owners don't even like the dealer taking off the plastic from the factory" (is what we were told three times, by different dealers, keep in mind this is from a owner of many other new Vett's in the past). I go to the Porsche dealer, ask to look at a Cayman S (about 30k more than a Vett) the sales guy throws me the keys, say's a plates on it and have fun. No I'm not kidding (helps I've seen him many times at PCA events, but I digress. Not sure how I got on this tangent lol.
Big question, how do you not rev the GT350 to red-line every shift? They sound so amazing
03-23-2017, 02:16 PM
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Yeah being in FL they are probably treated less like "best car, most amazing, omg you have 4 miles it just lost value" by dealerships than in Michigan. It took the "GM" to approve his current GS to go out on a test drive, because it was Oct and cold.
Yeah the GT350 probably is very raw and a ton of fun, something not found in many modern cars.
Yeah the GT350 probably is very raw and a ton of fun, something not found in many modern cars.
03-23-2017, 03:07 PM
#33
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Yeah being in FL they are probably treated less like "best car, most amazing, omg you have 4 miles it just lost value" by dealerships than in Michigan. It took the "GM" to approve his current GS to go out on a test drive, because it was Oct and cold.
Yeah the GT350 probably is very raw and a ton of fun, something not found in many modern cars.
Yeah the GT350 probably is very raw and a ton of fun, something not found in many modern cars.
Well Ford had something to prove and it shows - I highly recommend the car to any Porsche driver.
03-23-2017, 04:06 PM
#34
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Para, is your car a launch edition?
I really like the GT350R. I would considering buying one but for the same $$ I would rather add another Pcar like a 997.1 GT3.
I really like the GT350R. I would considering buying one but for the same $$ I would rather add another Pcar like a 997.1 GT3.
03-23-2017, 04:13 PM
#35
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Agreed about the GT3 money -
Forget about the GT350R and buy the GT350 - almost nobody can get the R for MSRP (63k). Get yourself a GT350 Track Pack or 2017 GT350 (differential/transmission/engine cooling now standard). You get all the goods - Flat Plane Crank 526 hp 8250RPM V8 / MagneRide. Switch out for some Pilot Cup tires and track wheels and you're right there with the R.
You're looking at spending 57k for the non R version. Worth every penny.
For 80 bucks you can have a shop the resonators out of your GT350 and now you have the R exhaust (Quiet mode will still work). Outrageous sound way beyond it's price tag.
03-23-2017, 04:29 PM
#36
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Honestly, I didn't know the non R had a flat plane crank...
In Canada I'm able to get an R at MSRP but again, it's more expensive than a 997.1 GT3. That being said, I'll look into the GT350 prices. I had a 5.0 back in the day and I miss the sound...
In Canada I'm able to get an R at MSRP but again, it's more expensive than a 997.1 GT3. That being said, I'll look into the GT350 prices. I had a 5.0 back in the day and I miss the sound...
03-23-2017, 05:14 PM
#37
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Just stay away from any "Tech Pack" cars which are the majority - they do not have the differential/trans/oil cooling and will go into limp mode faster than a 2015 Z06.
03-23-2017, 05:44 PM
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03-23-2017, 07:33 PM
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Wow, glad you didn't leave. I am not sure I could ever sell mine. I have another car and only drive my 911 2-3 days a week (I work 8 miles from my home).
"value" is an interesting thing. My dad recently got into a 991.1 CPO car. He also has an AMG SL55 2003 with less than 10k miles. Those cars sell used for around $25-35K. They just have no value. He is keeping it, he rarely drives it since he got the 991, but it is just worth too much to him to let a car that costed him over $125k to throw it away for so little. I told him to just give it to my mom, but she prefers an SUV for ease of driving. (if someone could somehow "fix" the horribly slow shfting in the 55, it would make a pretty decent car by todays standards, but that is really holding it back)
Frankly, I think a 997 in the mid 30s is such an incredible car for the money. It still looks "current", still performs insane (I know there are quicker cars out there, but a car built in 2004 that does 0-60 around 4 seconds, AND it isn't even a "drag car"). I have been in a lot of really nice exotics, GT cars, etc... But to me there really is something special about the 911. I have a buddy that just got a CTS-V 640HP, its a monster. He keeps telling me I need to come over and drive it. Frankly, I have no interest. Sure, it is quicker, a lot of cars are, but that isn't everything to me. I had an E46 M3, the one that everyone says is the "last true M3" and handles so great, etc..... I absolutely loved that car, had suspension, and good tires and it did handle well. I was thinking of next going to M4 or M2. I hoped in the 997 and never even looked anywhere else. (btw, I fully recognize that I am a little myopic on the topic and might need therapy).
btw, I might be a bit crazy because I was born that way. My dad had a couple 911SC in the late 70s/early 80s (red targa and black coupe). I always loved those cars the most. He went on to own cars like the Merc 190 2.3-16v (the precurser to AMG), NSX (this would be my next favorite), M3, 300ZX TT (500 hp Jim Wolf kit), CLK55, SL55, etc... The 911 has always been something just a little bit special to me, and unless someone gets that experience I don't think they can relate just based on Magazine times.
"value" is an interesting thing. My dad recently got into a 991.1 CPO car. He also has an AMG SL55 2003 with less than 10k miles. Those cars sell used for around $25-35K. They just have no value. He is keeping it, he rarely drives it since he got the 991, but it is just worth too much to him to let a car that costed him over $125k to throw it away for so little. I told him to just give it to my mom, but she prefers an SUV for ease of driving. (if someone could somehow "fix" the horribly slow shfting in the 55, it would make a pretty decent car by todays standards, but that is really holding it back)
Frankly, I think a 997 in the mid 30s is such an incredible car for the money. It still looks "current", still performs insane (I know there are quicker cars out there, but a car built in 2004 that does 0-60 around 4 seconds, AND it isn't even a "drag car"). I have been in a lot of really nice exotics, GT cars, etc... But to me there really is something special about the 911. I have a buddy that just got a CTS-V 640HP, its a monster. He keeps telling me I need to come over and drive it. Frankly, I have no interest. Sure, it is quicker, a lot of cars are, but that isn't everything to me. I had an E46 M3, the one that everyone says is the "last true M3" and handles so great, etc..... I absolutely loved that car, had suspension, and good tires and it did handle well. I was thinking of next going to M4 or M2. I hoped in the 997 and never even looked anywhere else. (btw, I fully recognize that I am a little myopic on the topic and might need therapy).
btw, I might be a bit crazy because I was born that way. My dad had a couple 911SC in the late 70s/early 80s (red targa and black coupe). I always loved those cars the most. He went on to own cars like the Merc 190 2.3-16v (the precurser to AMG), NSX (this would be my next favorite), M3, 300ZX TT (500 hp Jim Wolf kit), CLK55, SL55, etc... The 911 has always been something just a little bit special to me, and unless someone gets that experience I don't think they can relate just based on Magazine times.
03-23-2017, 08:28 PM
#41
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I agree Rod H and I think we might all be a little nuts - it's in the blood!
My dad didn't have a lot of cars but when he was on Wall Street in the 80's he did keep a red Ferrari 512 BB in a barn behind our house - i'll never forget it.
My dad didn't have a lot of cars but when he was on Wall Street in the 80's he did keep a red Ferrari 512 BB in a barn behind our house - i'll never forget it.
03-23-2017, 09:57 PM
#42
I think he initially listed it at $27k, then we convinced him that was way too low and he raised it to $37k, then smartly pulled it. Even at $37k I still thought it was about $3k too low. I'd have listed it at $42k and taken $40k. With the IMS replaced, new clutch, detailed service history, PCCB brakes, and Adaptive Seats, not only can't you find a car like that, but to make those improvements would cost you about $15k ($7,500 for the brakes, $3,000 for the seats, $4,000 for the IMS & clutch replacement, etc).
03-24-2017, 09:41 AM
#43
I'm taking the long view on my 997. My oldest son is 12. Keeping it for him so he can have it when my left knee can't work the clutch anymore. Maybe it will happen when he's about 30.
Its the only car I've owned that cured me of any new car desires....
Its the only car I've owned that cured me of any new car desires....
03-24-2017, 05:41 PM
#44
This!!! Two and a half years in and I still haven't looked at another car for myself. So much not like me, but in a good kind of way 8)
03-25-2017, 12:33 AM
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Haha ^^ Wayne!
My dad always used to say, "it doesn't matter where you get your appetite, as long as you come home for dinner."
I always look at 'next' cars, and only ever bought Froggy as a temporary/place holder until the right one came along.
Now, here we are however many years and 65,000 miles later, I still always look - but Froggy ain't going anywhere. My 997's a keeper.
As for the mileage?
Rack it up!
My dad always used to say, "it doesn't matter where you get your appetite, as long as you come home for dinner."
I always look at 'next' cars, and only ever bought Froggy as a temporary/place holder until the right one came along.
Now, here we are however many years and 65,000 miles later, I still always look - but Froggy ain't going anywhere. My 997's a keeper.
As for the mileage?
Rack it up!