Buying 996 Turbo S vs 997 turbo
10-12-2016, 09:32 PM
#31
This is the carburetor vs fuel injection argument , the 911 has gotten better, faster, more comfortable, and possibly more reliable with time. 996 guys really put this car on a pedestal and defend it to the end. I guess you are saying that your admired Porsche engineers didn't make a better car with the 997 or the 991?
10-12-2016, 11:11 PM
#32
Yea, that's like saying the 1970 911 is better than the 996. Some people think vinyl records are better than digital, tube amplifiers are much better than chip amps. I would also imagine there are people who would say the model T Ford is a better car than the model A ford.
This is the carburetor vs fuel injection argument , the 911 has gotten better, faster, more comfortable, and possibly more reliable with time. 996 guys really put this car on a pedestal and defend it to the end. I guess you are saying that your admired Porsche engineers didn't make a better car with the 997 or the 991?
This is the carburetor vs fuel injection argument , the 911 has gotten better, faster, more comfortable, and possibly more reliable with time. 996 guys really put this car on a pedestal and defend it to the end. I guess you are saying that your admired Porsche engineers didn't make a better car with the 997 or the 991?
10-13-2016, 12:01 AM
#33
Burning Brakes
A few weeks ago, I had the rare opportunity to drive a 993TT, my 996TT S, and then a 2011 997TT one after the other on some back roads near Ottawa.
Coming from an air-cooled background, the 993TT was magical - so characteristically classic 911, and so wicked fast when the boost came on that I think a filling came loose in my molar. The driving experience was raw. It smelled like a 911 should, and the doors make the iconic "click", which I actually really miss.
My 2005 TT S in comparison is far more gentle when the power rolls on compared to the 993TT. There is a heightened level of sophistication across the entire car, which can be comforting knowing that maybe this marque is a little less of a widow-maker? The 996 S "whoosh" feeling is exhilarating as we can all attest, but the true, raw sports car feel seemed to be missing something compared to the 993TT.
The 997.2TT - a serious rocket ship. It blasted off in all gears, the short shift was awesome, but the technology and creature comfort robbed too much of the experience that I look for in a 911.
I've always been a weekend 911 driver with occasional DEs, so my expectations and the experience I am after during those times are unique. While I loved the 993TT, I'd be too scared to eff it up considering it's now a $200k + car. The 997 was too tame for me. The 996 S is just right, in that it's a very balanced car, and has maintained driving characteristics that are consistent with my last 3 air-cooled beasts.
Coming from an air-cooled background, the 993TT was magical - so characteristically classic 911, and so wicked fast when the boost came on that I think a filling came loose in my molar. The driving experience was raw. It smelled like a 911 should, and the doors make the iconic "click", which I actually really miss.
My 2005 TT S in comparison is far more gentle when the power rolls on compared to the 993TT. There is a heightened level of sophistication across the entire car, which can be comforting knowing that maybe this marque is a little less of a widow-maker? The 996 S "whoosh" feeling is exhilarating as we can all attest, but the true, raw sports car feel seemed to be missing something compared to the 993TT.
The 997.2TT - a serious rocket ship. It blasted off in all gears, the short shift was awesome, but the technology and creature comfort robbed too much of the experience that I look for in a 911.
I've always been a weekend 911 driver with occasional DEs, so my expectations and the experience I am after during those times are unique. While I loved the 993TT, I'd be too scared to eff it up considering it's now a $200k + car. The 997 was too tame for me. The 996 S is just right, in that it's a very balanced car, and has maintained driving characteristics that are consistent with my last 3 air-cooled beasts.
10-13-2016, 01:32 AM
#34
Rennlist Member
Yea, that's like saying the 1970 911 is better than the 996. Some people think vinyl records are better than digital, tube amplifiers are much better than chip amps. I would also imagine there are people who would say the model T Ford is a better car than the model A ford.
It's funny to me that a Porsche enthusiast wouldn't appreciate such vintage things.
10-13-2016, 03:26 AM
#35
All I know is that I took my 996TT to the Audi Club track event at Sears Point this weekend to watch a friend track his 997. I wasn't parked for 5 minutes before some Audi Quattro Club dude was snapping pictures of her. Even though my boss' 2014 R8 V10 Spyder was right behind me.
Quite frankly I find this entire thread to be entertaining and annoying. You either LOVE the 996tt or you don't. It's simple, really.
Quite frankly I find this entire thread to be entertaining and annoying. You either LOVE the 996tt or you don't. It's simple, really.
10-13-2016, 08:25 PM
#36
Nordschleife Master
Much more than subjective D*ck, since I own and drive both a 2004 turbo and 2007 turbo. Do you own a 997 turbo? Then your response is definately subjective, and the usual foolish response from you.
Since I drive both cars on a daily basis, mixed in with 15 other cars, I can tell you the 997 interior is much better than the 996. The car is nicer all around, wider, better looking, better steering, more comfortable.
Since I drive both cars on a daily basis, mixed in with 15 other cars, I can tell you the 997 interior is much better than the 996. The car is nicer all around, wider, better looking, better steering, more comfortable.
15 other cars? Maybe drive them more because you seem like the kind of douche that most of us rather not have in the Porsche Community.
-Your Pal
Fishey
10-13-2016, 10:06 PM
#37
Rennlist Member
I love my 04 TT cab, but I wouldn't choose the modified 05 in this case over the 997. For me all the mods detract from the car and give me the impression it was likely driven harder than I would like. Maybe I'm wrong, but that's just my SUBJECTIVE opinion.
You really can't go wrong, but based on your description of yourself, it seems like the 997 would be a better fit. That, or keep looking for a more stock 996 - there is no shortage to pick from. I think stock, well maintained 05 Turbo S cars will appreciate more than most other 996 years.
You really can't go wrong, but based on your description of yourself, it seems like the 997 would be a better fit. That, or keep looking for a more stock 996 - there is no shortage to pick from. I think stock, well maintained 05 Turbo S cars will appreciate more than most other 996 years.
10-13-2016, 10:09 PM
#38
Drifting
What is the deal with the hostility towards different opinions? I prefer the 996 over the 997 but may pick one up just for the sake of something different. I have never owned a 997t but did drive a few and found it too refined for my taste while the 996t was a little old school and felt right. I too have a few cars and most are in storage due to lack/lost interest so I'm taking my time looking. The 996t is a fantastic car as I'm sure is the 997t= cant go wrong with any 911 in my book.
10-17-2016, 12:37 AM
#39
Rennlist Member
A few weeks ago, I had the rare opportunity to drive a 993TT, my 996TT S, and then a 2011 997TT one after the other on some back roads near Ottawa.
Coming from an air-cooled background, the 993TT was magical - so characteristically classic 911, and so wicked fast when the boost came on that I think a filling came loose in my molar. The driving experience was raw. It smelled like a 911 should, and the doors make the iconic "click", which I actually really miss.
My 2005 TT S in comparison is far more gentle when the power rolls on compared to the 993TT. There is a heightened level of sophistication across the entire car, which can be comforting knowing that maybe this marque is a little less of a widow-maker? The 996 S "whoosh" feeling is exhilarating as we can all attest, but the true, raw sports car feel seemed to be missing something compared to the 993TT.
The 997.2TT - a serious rocket ship. It blasted off in all gears, the short shift was awesome, but the technology and creature comfort robbed too much of the experience that I look for in a 911.
I've always been a weekend 911 driver with occasional DEs, so my expectations and the experience I am after during those times are unique. While I loved the 993TT, I'd be too scared to eff it up considering it's now a $200k + car. The 997 was too tame for me. The 996 S is just right, in that it's a very balanced car, and has maintained driving characteristics that are consistent with my last 3 air-cooled beasts.
Coming from an air-cooled background, the 993TT was magical - so characteristically classic 911, and so wicked fast when the boost came on that I think a filling came loose in my molar. The driving experience was raw. It smelled like a 911 should, and the doors make the iconic "click", which I actually really miss.
My 2005 TT S in comparison is far more gentle when the power rolls on compared to the 993TT. There is a heightened level of sophistication across the entire car, which can be comforting knowing that maybe this marque is a little less of a widow-maker? The 996 S "whoosh" feeling is exhilarating as we can all attest, but the true, raw sports car feel seemed to be missing something compared to the 993TT.
The 997.2TT - a serious rocket ship. It blasted off in all gears, the short shift was awesome, but the technology and creature comfort robbed too much of the experience that I look for in a 911.
I've always been a weekend 911 driver with occasional DEs, so my expectations and the experience I am after during those times are unique. While I loved the 993TT, I'd be too scared to eff it up considering it's now a $200k + car. The 997 was too tame for me. The 996 S is just right, in that it's a very balanced car, and has maintained driving characteristics that are consistent with my last 3 air-cooled beasts.
10-17-2016, 02:03 AM
#40
Rennlist Member
Since owning and modding a 996t to exemplify the raw and power aspects, next logical step seems like a 991t.
Edgy one for the track; cooled seats, blue tooth, etc, in a luxury rocket for the rest of the time.
Maybe I'm missing something in the 7.2t, but I haven't driven either of them yet.
Just seems that often cars for a frequent driver are better newer with less mods, ones for the weekend and track might as well be edgy.
Edgy one for the track; cooled seats, blue tooth, etc, in a luxury rocket for the rest of the time.
Maybe I'm missing something in the 7.2t, but I haven't driven either of them yet.
Just seems that often cars for a frequent driver are better newer with less mods, ones for the weekend and track might as well be edgy.
10-17-2016, 02:27 AM
#41
Three Wheelin'
I love the 996 Turbo platform, and I get compliments all the time on the car. And then I take friends and co-workers for a spin....forgetaboutit. They are blown away by the performance.
I haven't driven an 997.1 turbo yet, but a friend has one (Kline exhaust, no tune) and I'm looking forward to some seat time in SoCal next month so that I may form my own opinion. Not that it matters, I love my car and I've no plans to try something different any time soon.
10-21-2016, 01:35 AM
#43
Burning Brakes
Coincidentally, it was your old 993tt. Sick car and a great setup. You are right tho. Can't compare as my car is stock, with monster truck ride height and oem exhaust note.
10-21-2016, 07:59 PM
#44
I believe the douchery starts with people like yourself that love your car. To me it's just a car, that's it and between the two the 997 is the better car. I don't consider myself a Porsche guy (thankfully) just a car guy, it's just a piece of metal that drives down the road to me. Apparently to you it means much more, and that is concerning.
10-21-2016, 10:10 PM
#45
Nordschleife Master
I believe the douchery starts with people like yourself that love your car. To me it's just a car, that's it and between the two the 997 is the better car. I don't consider myself a Porsche guy (thankfully) just a car guy, it's just a piece of metal that drives down the road to me. Apparently to you it means much more, and that is concerning.
-Your Pal
Fishey