year and differences
08-05-2015, 10:33 PM
#46
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i never really had a dog in the fight 
and yet am still confident that porsche's vastly disseminated info on the added torsional rigidity added to the MY '02 for the 996 turbo indeed occurred.
but i did enjoy the purple graphic(s) that mcbit found. that guy is one pro web searcher lol
and yet am still confident that porsche's vastly disseminated info on the added torsional rigidity added to the MY '02 for the 996 turbo indeed occurred. but i did enjoy the purple graphic(s) that mcbit found. that guy is one pro web searcher lol
08-05-2015, 11:39 PM
#47
My best friend's sister's boyfriend's brother's girlfriend heard from this guy at 31 flavors last night who knows this kid who's going with the girl who's sister is dating my friend at PCNA who has top secret document exposing a cover up how Porsche screwed up the literature which shows that 02 996TT bodies are stiffer than 01s when in fact they're not. I guess it's serious...
08-05-2015, 11:51 PM
#48
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PCNA guy's quote when asked about the literature stating that the '02 996 Turbo was 25% stiffer than the '01 996 Turbo...."(chuckle), We screwed up".
It's really that simple.
For all you guys with micrometer "race car driver" butts who think they can feel the difference in stiffness between a stock '01 996 Turbo and a stock '02 996 Turbo, continue living in your fantasy world, because there is no 25% difference.
It's really that simple.
For all you guys with micrometer "race car driver" butts who think they can feel the difference in stiffness between a stock '01 996 Turbo and a stock '02 996 Turbo, continue living in your fantasy world, because there is no 25% difference.
08-06-2015, 02:39 AM
#49
Drifting
I'm impressed by how well they managed to cover this up by both changing and adding part numbers in the turbo/ GT2 specific PET.
After all you wouldn't need to update a body shell which was only 1 year old.
After all you wouldn't need to update a body shell which was only 1 year old.
08-06-2015, 08:49 AM
#50
Nordschleife Master
PCNA guy's quote when asked about the literature stating that the '02 996 Turbo was 25% stiffer than the '01 996 Turbo...."(chuckle), We screwed up".
It's really that simple.
For all you guys with micrometer "race car driver" butts who think they can feel the difference in stiffness between a stock '01 996 Turbo and a stock '02 996 Turbo, continue living in your fantasy world, because there is no 25% difference.
It's really that simple.
For all you guys with micrometer "race car driver" butts who think they can feel the difference in stiffness between a stock '01 996 Turbo and a stock '02 996 Turbo, continue living in your fantasy world, because there is no 25% difference.
I am not sure what guys are getting from nitpicking over it, the 02' and up are not significantly better the an 01. The Supercar 959 which won a lot of Dakar races was only 12.9k Nm/deg. Being 2X or 27 Nm/deg makes very little difference. For a bit of respective the Carrera GT - 26k Nm/deg
Guess what if you have a Turbo 996 Convertible you've just lost half of the rigidity 11.6 Nm/deg
Having the extra strength steel tube in 14, 1 & 3 does provide better protection in a roll over situation but in now way is going to make the car handle better.
Anyways add a roll bar, half cadge or full cage what ever if you want to make the car have even more rigidity and ever have better roll over protection.
I have both a 01 Turbo and 02 C4S, I can jack from any one point and it will start to lift the whole side of the car up on both of the cars. That's some freaking rigid cars.
08-06-2015, 09:26 AM
#51
i have a tequipment bar! i bet that makes my car more rigid!
though admittedly not nearly as rigid as the belief system of those who refuse to believe porsche's own documents on the topic lol
that this is even up for debate *still*..? is hilarious.
though admittedly not nearly as rigid as the belief system of those who refuse to believe porsche's own documents on the topic lol
that this is even up for debate *still*..? is hilarious.
08-06-2015, 01:29 PM
#53
The 25% difference is for all 996.2 shells not just the 02 Turbo and GT2, there is documentation stating that all 996.2 chassis was increased by this same amount. The marketing were comparing it to the 996.1 shell and not a 2001 Turbo in which I have all ready posted links to measurement and documents that showed the 996.1 and 01 Turbo were not the same. The 01 Turbo was 4% torsionally more and 32% more Flexural rigidity then the 996.1. Overall rigidity was increased by this difference just as it was with the 997 chassis getting a 8 percent increase in torsional rigidity and a 40 percent increase in overall chassis stiffness.
Compilation from my research.
2002 added
Lockable glove box (Map pocket below steering wheel deleted)
Cup holders & larger AC vents
"Together with the integration of a new cup holder, the centre vent has also been re-designed.
The cross-sectional area has been increased by 20%, which improves interior ventilation."
Bose (analog) sound system standard
Flat non-glossy buttons, light switch
Redesign instrument cluster with on-board computer (former 259) standard
Hollow wheels (lighter then solid wheels -15 lbs)
Different seat and memory functions, changes to the alarm system, and PCM differences
Optional X50 package added
Belt pretensioner and belt-force limiter which contributed to more weight to increase B-piller structural enhancement for increased safety crash testing
Glove box, rigidity and crash protection were both enhanced structural increased by 25%
The bodyshell has been modified in various areas( tunnel and seat pan) for model upgrade purposes. Upcoming Convertible and C4S (M96 engine and transmission)
Note: that the adding the glove box required addition structural support because the glove box could not be opened under hard cornering.
01, 02, 03 owner's manual lists the weight as 3394.9 lbs
02 brochure states curb weight at 3395lb,s the 04 brochure states curb weight at 3505 lbs for the coupe
In 2003 the Convertible arrived, its reinforced B-pillars and other mods raising the weight by 70kg
03 added MOST fiber optic radio
Body 911 Carrera/911 Carrera 4
Bodyshell
Extensive reinforcement measures in sill, roof frame and seat pan area increase the flectional and
torsional strength by a further 25% on coupes and by 10% on convertibles.
Apart from the wings, which have been adopted from the 911 Turbo, the bodyshell has been
modified in various areas for model update purposes.
The B-post has been modified to take the new belt tensioner and belt-force limiter. In the tunnel
and seat pan area, an additional tube with side support has been fitted for lateral reinforcement.
The tunnel area has been modified to take the new (Tiptronic S) transmission. The position of the
transmission mounting on the body now corresponds to the 911 Turbo.
A reinforcement tube has also been fitted in the side of the roof frame.
Bodyshell 911 Turbo/911 GT2
Extensive reinforcement measures in sill, roof frame and seat pan area increase the flectional and torsional
strength by a further 25%.
The bodyshell has been modified in various areas for model upgrade purposes.
The B-post has been modified to take the new belt tensioner and belt-force limiter. In the tunnel and seat pan
area, an additional tube with side support has been fitted for lateral reinforcement.
A reinforcement tube has also been fitted in the side of the roof frame.
2002 added
Lockable glove box (Map pocket below steering wheel deleted)
Cup holders & larger AC vents
"Together with the integration of a new cup holder, the centre vent has also been re-designed.
The cross-sectional area has been increased by 20%, which improves interior ventilation."
Bose (analog) sound system standard
Flat non-glossy buttons, light switch
Redesign instrument cluster with on-board computer (former 259) standard
Hollow wheels (lighter then solid wheels -15 lbs)
Different seat and memory functions, changes to the alarm system, and PCM differences
Optional X50 package added
Belt pretensioner and belt-force limiter which contributed to more weight to increase B-piller structural enhancement for increased safety crash testing
Glove box, rigidity and crash protection were both enhanced structural increased by 25%
The bodyshell has been modified in various areas( tunnel and seat pan) for model upgrade purposes. Upcoming Convertible and C4S (M96 engine and transmission)
Note: that the adding the glove box required addition structural support because the glove box could not be opened under hard cornering.
01, 02, 03 owner's manual lists the weight as 3394.9 lbs
02 brochure states curb weight at 3395lb,s the 04 brochure states curb weight at 3505 lbs for the coupe
In 2003 the Convertible arrived, its reinforced B-pillars and other mods raising the weight by 70kg
03 added MOST fiber optic radio
Body 911 Carrera/911 Carrera 4
Bodyshell
Extensive reinforcement measures in sill, roof frame and seat pan area increase the flectional and
torsional strength by a further 25% on coupes and by 10% on convertibles.
Apart from the wings, which have been adopted from the 911 Turbo, the bodyshell has been
modified in various areas for model update purposes.
The B-post has been modified to take the new belt tensioner and belt-force limiter. In the tunnel
and seat pan area, an additional tube with side support has been fitted for lateral reinforcement.
The tunnel area has been modified to take the new (Tiptronic S) transmission. The position of the
transmission mounting on the body now corresponds to the 911 Turbo.
A reinforcement tube has also been fitted in the side of the roof frame.
Bodyshell 911 Turbo/911 GT2
Extensive reinforcement measures in sill, roof frame and seat pan area increase the flectional and torsional
strength by a further 25%.
The bodyshell has been modified in various areas for model upgrade purposes.
The B-post has been modified to take the new belt tensioner and belt-force limiter. In the tunnel and seat pan
area, an additional tube with side support has been fitted for lateral reinforcement.
A reinforcement tube has also been fitted in the side of the roof frame.
08-06-2015, 02:12 PM
#54
Nordschleife Master
^ What your missing is that the total rigidity is a formula where flexural and torsionally numbers make up the total rigidity percentage.
I am not aware of that calculation formula. But that said the 01 Turbo shell was a vast improvement over the 996.1 shell
4% torsionally more and 32% more Flexural rigidity
when you compare that with a 997 chassis getting a 8 percent increase in torsional rigidity and a 40 percent increase in overall chassis stiffness, this difference could be this 25% "flectional and torsional strength by a further 25%" stated in 996.2 info.
I am not aware of that calculation formula. But that said the 01 Turbo shell was a vast improvement over the 996.1 shell
4% torsionally more and 32% more Flexural rigidity
when you compare that with a 997 chassis getting a 8 percent increase in torsional rigidity and a 40 percent increase in overall chassis stiffness, this difference could be this 25% "flectional and torsional strength by a further 25%" stated in 996.2 info.
08-06-2015, 04:24 PM
#56
Nordschleife Master
Believe marketing, as I know from history Porsche manipulates it to sell more cars.
Porsche website marketing for the 996 was 0-62 mph (0-100 kph), they then moved to 0-60 mph spec when they introduced the 997. Why? is that.
The answer
The 997 is heavier 55lbs then the 996 and only 5 hp more then the 996. 0-100 kph the 996 3.6l was 5 sec, the 997 was not faster and also worked out to a 5 sec 0-62 mph. How could the sell a new model that wasn't any faster. Easy change the marketing to 0-60 mph which now changes from 5 sec to 4.8 sec.
Then when the 997.2 came out, guess what they did. Went back to 0-62 mph on their website.
Porsche website marketing for the 996 was 0-62 mph (0-100 kph), they then moved to 0-60 mph spec when they introduced the 997. Why? is that.
The answer
The 997 is heavier 55lbs then the 996 and only 5 hp more then the 996. 0-100 kph the 996 3.6l was 5 sec, the 997 was not faster and also worked out to a 5 sec 0-62 mph. How could the sell a new model that wasn't any faster. Easy change the marketing to 0-60 mph which now changes from 5 sec to 4.8 sec.
Then when the 997.2 came out, guess what they did. Went back to 0-62 mph on their website.
08-06-2015, 04:56 PM
#58
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Believe marketing, as I know from history Porsche manipulates it to sell more cars.
Porsche website marketing for the 996 was 0-62 mph (0-100 kph), they then moved to 0-60 mph spec when they introduced the 997. Why? is that.
The answer
The 997 is heavier 55lbs then the 996 and only 5 hp more then the 996. 0-100 kph the 996 3.6l was 5 sec, the 997 was not faster and also worked out to a 5 sec 0-62 mph. How could the sell a new model that wasn't any faster. Easy change the marketing to 0-60 mph which now changes from 5 sec to 4.8 sec.
Then when the 997.2 came out, guess what they did. Went back to 0-62 mph on their website.
Porsche website marketing for the 996 was 0-62 mph (0-100 kph), they then moved to 0-60 mph spec when they introduced the 997. Why? is that.
The answer
The 997 is heavier 55lbs then the 996 and only 5 hp more then the 996. 0-100 kph the 996 3.6l was 5 sec, the 997 was not faster and also worked out to a 5 sec 0-62 mph. How could the sell a new model that wasn't any faster. Easy change the marketing to 0-60 mph which now changes from 5 sec to 4.8 sec.
Then when the 997.2 came out, guess what they did. Went back to 0-62 mph on their website.
08-06-2015, 05:07 PM
#59
Believe marketing, as I know from history Porsche manipulates it to sell more cars.
Porsche website marketing for the 996 was 0-62 mph (0-100 kph), they then moved to 0-60 mph spec when they introduced the 997. Why? is that.
The answer
The 997 is heavier 55lbs then the 996 and only 5 hp more then the 996. 0-100 kph the 996 3.6l was 5 sec, the 997 was not faster and also worked out to a 5 sec 0-62 mph. How could the sell a new model that wasn't any faster. Easy change the marketing to 0-60 mph which now changes from 5 sec to 4.8 sec.
Then when the 997.2 came out, guess what they did. Went back to 0-62 mph on their website.
Porsche website marketing for the 996 was 0-62 mph (0-100 kph), they then moved to 0-60 mph spec when they introduced the 997. Why? is that.
The answer
The 997 is heavier 55lbs then the 996 and only 5 hp more then the 996. 0-100 kph the 996 3.6l was 5 sec, the 997 was not faster and also worked out to a 5 sec 0-62 mph. How could the sell a new model that wasn't any faster. Easy change the marketing to 0-60 mph which now changes from 5 sec to 4.8 sec.
Then when the 997.2 came out, guess what they did. Went back to 0-62 mph on their website.
thats where the "story" begins, and ends. for me.
08-06-2015, 05:09 PM
#60
Believe marketing, as I know from history Porsche manipulates it to sell more cars.
Porsche website marketing for the 996 was 0-62 mph (0-100 kph), they then moved to 0-60 mph spec when they introduced the 997. Why? is that.
The answer
The 997 is heavier 55lbs then the 996 and only 5 hp more then the 996. 0-100 kph the 996 3.6l was 5 sec, the 997 was not faster and also worked out to a 5 sec 0-62 mph. How could the sell a new model that wasn't any faster. Easy change the marketing to 0-60 mph which now changes from 5 sec to 4.8 sec.
Then when the 997.2 came out, guess what they did. Went back to 0-62 mph on their website.
Porsche website marketing for the 996 was 0-62 mph (0-100 kph), they then moved to 0-60 mph spec when they introduced the 997. Why? is that.
The answer
The 997 is heavier 55lbs then the 996 and only 5 hp more then the 996. 0-100 kph the 996 3.6l was 5 sec, the 997 was not faster and also worked out to a 5 sec 0-62 mph. How could the sell a new model that wasn't any faster. Easy change the marketing to 0-60 mph which now changes from 5 sec to 4.8 sec.
Then when the 997.2 came out, guess what they did. Went back to 0-62 mph on their website.
thats where the "story" begins, and ends. for me.