WTB: 993 Track/Race Car
07-31-2015, 11:24 AM
#31
I'd agree with that (obviously)...seems like streetable cars are appreciating quickly. I havent seen it much with gutted race cars. Seems like a small buyer universe with an even smaller seller universe.
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08-01-2015, 10:18 PM
#33
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Mine is going on the block soon...
1997 Carrera, Grand Prix White, 84,XXX miles. It is unique in the sense that it is street legal with the cat on. It also has power windows, air conditioning and cruise control, sun roof too. The removable steering wheel has no air bag and the passenger air bag has been removed for weight reduction.
It is presently configured as a 993 RS Club Sport with a 60" Crawford wing and uprights on a 993 RS Clubsport aftermarket tail.
The interior is 993 RS with a complete RS carpet set, sound proofing removed. Radio is still in the car...there aren't any speakers. I have most of the stuff to return it to stock trim including the original electric tail.
To make it potentially more appealing, I am returning it to 993 RS trim. Just to give it a fresh start for the next owner, it is in the process of being totally resprayed in the original color. This is a glass out, mirrors off, front and rear bumper covers off re-paint.
If it doesn't move as a Time Trial/DE car***, I may also strip off all the trick stuff as seen on the pdf and sell the car in stock trim. Final selling price to be determined, but somewhere in the $50K range....
***It could also be a NASA GTS race car.
Why am I making this change in direction in my Porsche life? Mark from Baltimore said it all...quite simply, it's time to move on.
It is presently configured as a 993 RS Club Sport with a 60" Crawford wing and uprights on a 993 RS Clubsport aftermarket tail.
The interior is 993 RS with a complete RS carpet set, sound proofing removed. Radio is still in the car...there aren't any speakers. I have most of the stuff to return it to stock trim including the original electric tail.
To make it potentially more appealing, I am returning it to 993 RS trim. Just to give it a fresh start for the next owner, it is in the process of being totally resprayed in the original color. This is a glass out, mirrors off, front and rear bumper covers off re-paint.
If it doesn't move as a Time Trial/DE car***, I may also strip off all the trick stuff as seen on the pdf and sell the car in stock trim. Final selling price to be determined, but somewhere in the $50K range....
***It could also be a NASA GTS race car.
Why am I making this change in direction in my Porsche life? Mark from Baltimore said it all...quite simply, it's time to move on.
Last edited by Martin S.; 08-01-2015 at 10:39 PM.
08-02-2015, 12:20 AM
#34
Martin - this for the info. The car seems very nice, but I'm looking for something track focused with a rollbar/cage. The car is a bit out of my budget for a 993. I'm finding that the race prepped cars sell for lesser values, than streetable cars.
Anyway, the forum has been extremely helpful...so thank you for the info. I've narrowed it down to Mark's car and two others. Also found a GT3 track/race car in the $55k range which is significant upgrade for the track from the 993...but also a bit more $$$.
Will hopefully have something purchased by end of next week. Will keep you all posted. Thanks again
Anyway, the forum has been extremely helpful...so thank you for the info. I've narrowed it down to Mark's car and two others. Also found a GT3 track/race car in the $55k range which is significant upgrade for the track from the 993...but also a bit more $$$.
Will hopefully have something purchased by end of next week. Will keep you all posted. Thanks again
08-02-2015, 11:21 AM
#35
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The take home message from this thread is that we are hanging on to The best track prepared 993 (based on the age of components) stock class 993.
BTW, if you pass on the 6GT3 for $55K, let us know where it is because considering that I have not seen one in that price for 3-4 years, I (or someone else) may want to mortgage their house to buy it.
BTW, if you pass on the 6GT3 for $55K, let us know where it is because considering that I have not seen one in that price for 3-4 years, I (or someone else) may want to mortgage their house to buy it.
08-02-2015, 11:47 AM
#36
Thanks for the advice.
Having my mechanic Protosport check out the 6GT3 hopefully this week. While I love the 993, the deal on gt3 will be tough to beat, if all checks out. It's a fully gutted race car with cage...so not streetable. Will take me a long time before I "grow" out of it. You'd have to spend a lot of $$$ to get a 993 with GT3 speed, I think.
Feels like the only place to find a deal is on cars that been basically gutted and caged. Will keep you guys posted. Thanks again for all the advice.
Having my mechanic Protosport check out the 6GT3 hopefully this week. While I love the 993, the deal on gt3 will be tough to beat, if all checks out. It's a fully gutted race car with cage...so not streetable. Will take me a long time before I "grow" out of it. You'd have to spend a lot of $$$ to get a 993 with GT3 speed, I think.
Feels like the only place to find a deal is on cars that been basically gutted and caged. Will keep you guys posted. Thanks again for all the advice.
08-03-2015, 12:56 AM
#37
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Yeah, if speed is what you're after. Thing I see with the modified 996 GT3s is that they end up crawling, crawling, crawling to being a Cup. And with what early 996 Cups go for, just go find a good one. I think I posted earlier about the orphan GT3R I could have bought cheap-ish. One of my few Porsche regrets, but oh well.
Other thing I've observed over the decades is that overbuying performance seldom leads to mastery. There's just too much of a crutch when you're able to blast away down the straight. Now, of course, you can look at data from a comparable car (or the coach you've hired driving your car).
Other thing I've observed over the decades is that overbuying performance seldom leads to mastery. There's just too much of a crutch when you're able to blast away down the straight. Now, of course, you can look at data from a comparable car (or the coach you've hired driving your car).
08-04-2015, 10:59 AM
#40
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Saw this on PCA. Not a 993, but it might suit you. https://www.pca.org/classified-ad/309490
Not sure what all is "Club Racing" on the car--a replacement seat and steering wheel, plus a roll bar and Hot Lap (welcome to 2003) don't add up to much. Granted, there might be a wholly sophisticated damper package underneath, but kudos to the seller for ad specifics.
08-05-2015, 12:10 PM
#42
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It must cost a but more :)
Lok at the price of the steel rotors those monster 6 poy calipers wrap their arms around, the size of the pads....you'll nee bigger tires than a 993, at least on the rear, and with 375 HP, I am certain the rear tires will be going away sooner.
As to tires, the bigger the tire, the more they are going to cost. So of course it will cost more to track a GT3.
If I get one, and I just may, I think I would do a DE or 2 (no more wheel to wheel with that appreciating asset, the same goes for a 993...too valuable).
In conclusion, the best racing, is the tightest racing, and right now that appear to be Spec Boxster. Big fields, intense competition...and they are cheap to acquire, maybe $25,000 or so, for a fully prepared car, run on smaller cheaper tires, and they are "throw away". Wad it up into a ball, all you'll care about is personal survival. Screw the car, you can always get another one.
As to tires, the bigger the tire, the more they are going to cost. So of course it will cost more to track a GT3.
If I get one, and I just may, I think I would do a DE or 2 (no more wheel to wheel with that appreciating asset, the same goes for a 993...too valuable).
In conclusion, the best racing, is the tightest racing, and right now that appear to be Spec Boxster. Big fields, intense competition...and they are cheap to acquire, maybe $25,000 or so, for a fully prepared car, run on smaller cheaper tires, and they are "throw away". Wad it up into a ball, all you'll care about is personal survival. Screw the car, you can always get another one.
08-05-2015, 12:59 PM
#43
While I agree that the consumables are definitely more expensive, I think there are some cost effective ways to purchase parts. I think you can use Cayenne rotors on the GT3, which aren't that expensive. As for tire and pads, I completely agree. I would just be using as a DE car...so I can probably get some decent use out of a set of tires, pads and rotors.
Close on two...but still open to options!
Close on two...but still open to options!
08-05-2015, 10:03 PM
#44
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Recommend you go to the 6GT3 forum, if you have not already, and look at the sticky threads which detail what should be done to a stock 6GT3 to make it track worthy. It might be a good idea to buy one that already has some of these things done. Plan on $10k+ from a stock 6GT3 to make it safe and fun.
08-05-2015, 10:18 PM
#45
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Can you give us a hint? I have not always been successful on a search. I have already heard:
1. Replace the dual mass with a RS flywheel,
2. Repack the LSD with Guard disks
3. Replace stock (heavy) seats with race seats
4. Install a roll bar to attach the 6 point harnesses to
5. Get a fire extinguisher
6. Higher performance brake pads assuming one is using the steel disks.
7.
8.
9.etc. etc
$10,000 to prep a car for the track? That's cheap, really. I have spent far more than that hoping to optimize a 993 for the track. Here is a list of what I have done to/for my 993.
1. Replace the dual mass with a RS flywheel,
2. Repack the LSD with Guard disks
3. Replace stock (heavy) seats with race seats
4. Install a roll bar to attach the 6 point harnesses to
5. Get a fire extinguisher
6. Higher performance brake pads assuming one is using the steel disks.
7.
8.
9.etc. etc
$10,000 to prep a car for the track? That's cheap, really. I have spent far more than that hoping to optimize a 993 for the track. Here is a list of what I have done to/for my 993.