European delivery
#16
I'm sure PCNA is expecting recent customers to call and ask for fair pricing consideration -- it might be only a token (say half?) but I think they're tied and obligated when they make this sort of fee change.
#17
If you have a little time, go read my article on Euro Delivery that was published in Porsche Panorama in 2008. http://coochas.com/porsche/Resources...roDelivery.pdf
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My wife and I attended a gala 991 Unveiling Event at my local dealer on Friday. This event was attended by a PCNA Customer Consultation Specialist who spoke to us about European Delivery. I followed up our conversation with an email and I received answers today. Here are the questions and answers:
1. Q: What is the length of time for the “normal” insurance period
included in the program? My understanding was two weeks.
A: Two weeks of vehicle insurance and registration is included in the program. You could keep the vehicle for up to 6 months in Europe, but you would be responsible for the extended insurance costs after that first 2 weeks. We can provide a rough estimate of those costs if you know how much longer you wish to stay.
2. Q: What is now included in the program? I understood one
night’s stay in the Stuttgart/Zuffenhausen area is included after
arrival.
A: Included in the program is:
Factory Tour
Vehicle delivery by a trained instructor (Louis, an American working at the factory now)
Lunch Entry into the Porsche Museum (Stuttgart deliveries only)
Test Track and Off-Road Track Experience (Leipzig deliveries only)
One night hotel stay Taxi vouchers to and from the factory
2 weeks of vehicle insurance
Vehicle Registration
2 weeks of winter tires (if necessary)
Discounted air fare with Lufthansa airlines Discounted rates with select Steigenberger Hotel properties
3. Q: As you know, the state of Florida does not require a front
license plate. It is my understanding Porsche requires a front plate
for European Delivery and will not permit a tow hook license plate
mount to be used, even if supplied by the owner. Is there any option
available to avoid drilling the front bumper of the car for the
European Delivery program?
A: Unfortunately there is not another option for mounting the front plate with out drilling holes into the front bumper, and they are VERY strict about the front plates in Germany. We are looking at alternate mounting options that will avoid drilling into the bumper, but right now we haven't found anything that has been approved per German standards.
4. Q: It has been Porsche’s practice to require a temporary VAT
“Deposit” 0f $10,000 for European Delivery. Is this still required?
A: The VAT is collected at the dealer level now. The dealer will collect the full 19% of MSRP, and this is reflected on the Customer Invoice.
5. Q: It is my understanding Porsche once received a direct tax
benefit from the German government for each German car sold and
delivered to a non-resident foreigner within the borders of Germany.
I note here that BMW and Mercedes Benz still offer a discounted price
for the car (up to 7% in some cases), so I suspect this benefit
remains in effect. Audi offers discounted prices as well. I fail to
understand why Porsche charges the dealer for a program that
effectively lowers the price of the car for Porsche without passing
those discounts on to both the dealer and the owner. What can you
tell me about this?
A: This one I have to do some research on to get an answer, and have contacted PAG about it. I have never heard of any kind of tax discount, and we certainly don't receive any tax benefit now. It is my understanding that Mercedes and BMW take a pretty big financial hit for their program that they write-off as a marketing cost. My newest colleagues at PCNA did quite a bit of research into this when they took over the program to try and find a way to compete with those distributors in that sense, but we just don't have the volume to make a discount like that plausible.
These answers are interesting although I did not find the news particularly good. A drilled bumper and a 19% deposit for a period of time are not what I call "incentives."
1. Q: What is the length of time for the “normal” insurance period
included in the program? My understanding was two weeks.
A: Two weeks of vehicle insurance and registration is included in the program. You could keep the vehicle for up to 6 months in Europe, but you would be responsible for the extended insurance costs after that first 2 weeks. We can provide a rough estimate of those costs if you know how much longer you wish to stay.
2. Q: What is now included in the program? I understood one
night’s stay in the Stuttgart/Zuffenhausen area is included after
arrival.
A: Included in the program is:
Factory Tour
Vehicle delivery by a trained instructor (Louis, an American working at the factory now)
Lunch Entry into the Porsche Museum (Stuttgart deliveries only)
Test Track and Off-Road Track Experience (Leipzig deliveries only)
One night hotel stay Taxi vouchers to and from the factory
2 weeks of vehicle insurance
Vehicle Registration
2 weeks of winter tires (if necessary)
Discounted air fare with Lufthansa airlines Discounted rates with select Steigenberger Hotel properties
3. Q: As you know, the state of Florida does not require a front
license plate. It is my understanding Porsche requires a front plate
for European Delivery and will not permit a tow hook license plate
mount to be used, even if supplied by the owner. Is there any option
available to avoid drilling the front bumper of the car for the
European Delivery program?
A: Unfortunately there is not another option for mounting the front plate with out drilling holes into the front bumper, and they are VERY strict about the front plates in Germany. We are looking at alternate mounting options that will avoid drilling into the bumper, but right now we haven't found anything that has been approved per German standards.
4. Q: It has been Porsche’s practice to require a temporary VAT
“Deposit” 0f $10,000 for European Delivery. Is this still required?
A: The VAT is collected at the dealer level now. The dealer will collect the full 19% of MSRP, and this is reflected on the Customer Invoice.
5. Q: It is my understanding Porsche once received a direct tax
benefit from the German government for each German car sold and
delivered to a non-resident foreigner within the borders of Germany.
I note here that BMW and Mercedes Benz still offer a discounted price
for the car (up to 7% in some cases), so I suspect this benefit
remains in effect. Audi offers discounted prices as well. I fail to
understand why Porsche charges the dealer for a program that
effectively lowers the price of the car for Porsche without passing
those discounts on to both the dealer and the owner. What can you
tell me about this?
A: This one I have to do some research on to get an answer, and have contacted PAG about it. I have never heard of any kind of tax discount, and we certainly don't receive any tax benefit now. It is my understanding that Mercedes and BMW take a pretty big financial hit for their program that they write-off as a marketing cost. My newest colleagues at PCNA did quite a bit of research into this when they took over the program to try and find a way to compete with those distributors in that sense, but we just don't have the volume to make a discount like that plausible.
These answers are interesting although I did not find the news particularly good. A drilled bumper and a 19% deposit for a period of time are not what I call "incentives."
#19
5. Q: It is my understanding Porsche once received a direct tax
benefit from the German government for each German car sold and
delivered to a non-resident foreigner within the borders of Germany.
I note here that BMW and Mercedes Benz still offer a discounted price
for the car (up to 7% in some cases), so I suspect this benefit
remains in effect. Audi offers discounted prices as well. I fail to
understand why Porsche charges the dealer for a program that
effectively lowers the price of the car for Porsche without passing
those discounts on to both the dealer and the owner. What can you
tell me about this?
A: This one I have to do some research on to get an answer, and have contacted PAG about it. I have never heard of any kind of tax discount, and we certainly don't receive any tax benefit now. It is my understanding that Mercedes and BMW take a pretty big financial hit for their program that they write-off as a marketing cost. My newest colleagues at PCNA did quite a bit of research into this when they took over the program to try and find a way to compete with those distributors in that sense, but we just don't have the volume to make a discount like that plausible.
benefit from the German government for each German car sold and
delivered to a non-resident foreigner within the borders of Germany.
I note here that BMW and Mercedes Benz still offer a discounted price
for the car (up to 7% in some cases), so I suspect this benefit
remains in effect. Audi offers discounted prices as well. I fail to
understand why Porsche charges the dealer for a program that
effectively lowers the price of the car for Porsche without passing
those discounts on to both the dealer and the owner. What can you
tell me about this?
A: This one I have to do some research on to get an answer, and have contacted PAG about it. I have never heard of any kind of tax discount, and we certainly don't receive any tax benefit now. It is my understanding that Mercedes and BMW take a pretty big financial hit for their program that they write-off as a marketing cost. My newest colleagues at PCNA did quite a bit of research into this when they took over the program to try and find a way to compete with those distributors in that sense, but we just don't have the volume to make a discount like that plausible.
Saludos, Eduardo (z356)
#20
Fellas, I just joined the board a few min ago and have taken factory delivery of my last two BMWs in Munich. Further, I sat down with the former head of the Porsche Euro delivery program--he now runs a Porsche design studio where he helped me with a virtual 991 build--and his comments correspond well with what has been discussed here. All I have time to add at this moment--I depart for MUC in a few hrs on non-Porsche related business--is that Porsche claims that the ins on their cars is far more expensive than for BMW and MB, and hence the lack of an ED discount. Nevertheless, I'm on the verge of pulling the trigger on a 991S PDK--my first P-car!--to be picked up in Zuffenhausen this summer. From my BMW experience, driving through Europe in a new car of this caliber, and staying at converted castles and monasteries, etc, is one of life's great treats for a car nut like moi.
Out,
TSpyder
Out,
TSpyder
#22
I did ED in Leipzig in april
I was charged 10k flat VAT deposit (not sure about interest included as refund of licensing was included in that check)
They asked if my state requires a front plate (i lied and said no) so they used double-sided tape for it.
Im going to do ED in stutt/zuf this time and after reading these posts I demand a greater discount since they get the allocation back.
I was charged 10k flat VAT deposit (not sure about interest included as refund of licensing was included in that check)
They asked if my state requires a front plate (i lied and said no) so they used double-sided tape for it.
Im going to do ED in stutt/zuf this time and after reading these posts I demand a greater discount since they get the allocation back.
#23
Banned
I asked the question too about the license plate holes as I also live in Florida. There are two choices 1: you live with the holes or 2: you can buy a new bumper at your cost. There are no covers provided, etc. She is checking into whether you be able to keep the plate that is used during the trip which might be neat but I'll just figure out a way to put a cover over the hole or maybe a button that says: "Behind this button is a hole that Porsche drilled for my license plate in Europe"
#24
Race Director
I asked the question too about the license plate holes as I also live in Florida. There are two choices 1: you live with the holes or 2: you can buy a new bumper at your cost. There are no covers provided, etc. She is checking into whether you be able to keep the plate that is used during the trip which might be neat but I'll just figure out a way to put a cover over the hole or maybe a button that says: "Behind this button is a hole that Porsche drilled for my license plate in Europe"
#25
Three Wheelin'
I asked the question of Atlanta, too. Figured if we collectively make enough noise then maybe a solution will eventually appear. It is a solvable problem it seems.
#27
Poseur
Rennlist Member
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My guess would be in August 2012. Find out when the factory goes on holiday and after that the '13 models will be out, and available for local (Zuffenhausen) delivery.
#28
Burning Brakes
never mind, I see it is answered above.
Last edited by DrJay; 03-10-2012 at 10:54 PM.
#29
I was surprised that the new 991 arrived in the US as a MY2012. I would have thought it would have been a MY2013. I can't think of another instance where PAG produced the same models on two different platforms - a MY2012 997.2 and a MY2012 991.1 - in one SINGLE model year. We have had 997.2 models (e.g. 911 & 911S) produced alongside a 997.1 model (997.1 Turbo) in MY2009 but that was different - the 911 Turbo was carried-over for one more year in the older platform. But this is the same model - 911 & GTS versions - in two different platforms and both classified officially as a MY2012! This fact will not be kind to early adopters (buyers) of the MY2012 991 as it will suffer a quicker depreciation 'hit' than otherwise most would have expected this car to suffer (had it been an early MY2013).
Saludos,
Eduardo
Carmel
#30
Three Wheelin'
International driver's license -- is it necessary for EU countries, does anyone care?
Insurance -- yes car is insured 2 weeks there -- but does PAG also cover from factory to the dealer in the U.S. or is this a weird situation where buyer needs to cover during shipment?
Insurance -- yes car is insured 2 weeks there -- but does PAG also cover from factory to the dealer in the U.S. or is this a weird situation where buyer needs to cover during shipment?