991.2 GT3
03-26-2015, 12:04 PM
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03-26-2015, 12:44 PM
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03-26-2015, 03:27 PM
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To be honest, I don't think we ever have to worry about whether or not Porsche will come out with 911 GT / RS variants of future 911 generations (991.2, 992, and beyond).
Unless they shutter Porsche Motorsports for good, they're always going to compete in this space.
Unless they shutter Porsche Motorsports for good, they're always going to compete in this space.
04-14-2015, 04:50 PM
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if 991.2 non gt cars will be all turbo charged. I am assuming we will see bigger HP jump in all 911s.
991.2 s might will be 450HP.
991.2 Turbo will be around 550 HP.
991.2 Turbo S will be around 600HP.
If they keep 991.2 Gt3 NA no Kers. The 991.2 Turbo will be a lot faster than 991.2 GT3 on both street and track. How porsche going to close the gap between GT3 and 991.2 Turbo? It's so easy to get more HP form turbo charged engine. But so hard to get more HP form NA.
991.2 s might will be 450HP.
991.2 Turbo will be around 550 HP.
991.2 Turbo S will be around 600HP.
If they keep 991.2 Gt3 NA no Kers. The 991.2 Turbo will be a lot faster than 991.2 GT3 on both street and track. How porsche going to close the gap between GT3 and 991.2 Turbo? It's so easy to get more HP form turbo charged engine. But so hard to get more HP form NA.
04-14-2015, 04:56 PM
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if 991.2 non gt cars will be all turbo charged. I am assuming we will see bigger HP jump in all 911s.
991.2 s might will be 450HP.
991.2 Turbo will be around 550 HP.
991.2 Turbo S will be around 600HP.
If they keep 991.2 Gt3 NA no Kers. The 991.2 Turbo will be a lot faster than 991.2 GT3 on both street and track. How porsche going to close the gap between GT3 and 991.2 Turbo? It's so easy to get more HP form turbo charged engine. But so hard to get more HP form NA.
991.2 s might will be 450HP.
991.2 Turbo will be around 550 HP.
991.2 Turbo S will be around 600HP.
If they keep 991.2 Gt3 NA no Kers. The 991.2 Turbo will be a lot faster than 991.2 GT3 on both street and track. How porsche going to close the gap between GT3 and 991.2 Turbo? It's so easy to get more HP form turbo charged engine. But so hard to get more HP form NA.
Don't forget that the Turbo costs more than the GT3, so this is not really unexpected. The GT3 will not be able to keep outright pace with the Turbo, if it stays NA. And the bigger issue is if it stays NA and Flat-6. I think the only true way forward is with Flat-8, if the goal is supercar performance with NA (and only modest weight loss from other 911 models).
If Porsche insists on making the 911 so large, they have put themselves in a bit of a corner. Large chassis size prevents dramtic weight loss and NA Flat-6 prevents dramatic HP and TQ gains.
04-14-2015, 04:59 PM
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if 991.2 non gt cars will be all turbo charged. I am assuming we will see bigger HP jump in all 911s.
991.2 s might will be 450HP.
991.2 Turbo will be around 550 HP.
991.2 Turbo S will be around 600HP.
If they keep 991.2 Gt3 NA no Kers. The 991.2 Turbo will be a lot faster than 991.2 GT3 on both street and track. How porsche going to close the gap between GT3 and 991.2 Turbo? It's so easy to get more HP form turbo charged engine. But so hard to get more HP form NA.
991.2 s might will be 450HP.
991.2 Turbo will be around 550 HP.
991.2 Turbo S will be around 600HP.
If they keep 991.2 Gt3 NA no Kers. The 991.2 Turbo will be a lot faster than 991.2 GT3 on both street and track. How porsche going to close the gap between GT3 and 991.2 Turbo? It's so easy to get more HP form turbo charged engine. But so hard to get more HP form NA.
04-14-2015, 06:31 PM
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Yes but C2S can t have less HP than bimmer M4
so easy to expect 420 440 HP with much moreTq
and not the 4wd weight of Turbo
easy to beat Gt3 NA as it is with few suspensions mod
then .2GT3 has to go 4.2 515HP 500NmTq version or even better flat 8 (unless the decide finally to get the kers rabbit out the hat of gt3 r hybrid eventhough a light version)
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Yes but C2S can t have less HP than bimmer M4
so easy to expect 420 440 HP with much moreTq
and not the 4wd weight of Turbo
easy to beat Gt3 NA as it is with few suspensions mod
then .2GT3 has to go 4.2 515HP 500NmTq version or even better flat 8 (unless the decide finally to get the kers rabbit out the hat of gt3 r hybrid eventhough a light version)
so easy to expect 420 440 HP with much moreTq
and not the 4wd weight of Turbo
easy to beat Gt3 NA as it is with few suspensions mod
then .2GT3 has to go 4.2 515HP 500NmTq version or even better flat 8 (unless the decide finally to get the kers rabbit out the hat of gt3 r hybrid eventhough a light version)
I also don't think they will put 4.2 for GT3. RS may be. ( if there is one )
The most logic way is Hybrid or no Gt3 and Gt3 RS for 991.2.
just 991.2 Gt2 and GT2 RS.
Time will tell.
04-14-2015, 06:56 PM
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I think the HP bump for the new 991.2 turbo cars is going to be less than that. Thinking around 425-435hp for Carrera S, but lots more torque. Even now, the Turbo is faster than the GT3 in most areas (even many tracks, given equal tires).
Don't forget that the Turbo costs more than the GT3, so this is not really unexpected. The GT3 will not be able to keep outright pace with the Turbo, if it stays NA. And the bigger issue is if it stays NA and Flat-6. I think the only true way forward is with Flat-8, if the goal is supercar performance with NA (and only modest weight loss from other 911 models).
If Porsche insists on making the 911 so large, they have put themselves in a bit of a corner. Large chassis size prevents dramtic weight loss and NA Flat-6 prevents dramatic HP and TQ gains.
Don't forget that the Turbo costs more than the GT3, so this is not really unexpected. The GT3 will not be able to keep outright pace with the Turbo, if it stays NA. And the bigger issue is if it stays NA and Flat-6. I think the only true way forward is with Flat-8, if the goal is supercar performance with NA (and only modest weight loss from other 911 models).
If Porsche insists on making the 911 so large, they have put themselves in a bit of a corner. Large chassis size prevents dramtic weight loss and NA Flat-6 prevents dramatic HP and TQ gains.
The current turbo is faster than Gt3 with same tire. But GT3 time and turbo lap time are very close. But if 991.2 turbo get 550HP or 570HP. It will be significant faster than GT3. Then Gt3 need at least 500HP.
04-14-2015, 07:07 PM
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Yes I am thinking Carrera S will get 435-450 HP with a lot more torque.
The current turbo is faster than Gt3 with same tire. But GT3 time and turbo lap time are very close. But if 991.2 turbo get 550HP or 570HP. It will be significant faster than GT3. Then Gt3 need at least 500HP.
The current turbo is faster than Gt3 with same tire. But GT3 time and turbo lap time are very close. But if 991.2 turbo get 550HP or 570HP. It will be significant faster than GT3. Then Gt3 need at least 500HP.
04-14-2015, 07:40 PM
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I think it's pretty logical to assume the next gt3 will get the current RS engine. A slight bump but nothing major. Porsche doesn't do anything major with next models.
04-14-2015, 07:57 PM
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Just my guess, I have no data to back this up.
04-14-2015, 08:03 PM
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"2016 Porsche 911 Carrera to have a 2.7-liter turbo with up to 407 PS
New details are starting to emerge about the turbocharged engines that will power the facelifted Porsche 911. According to Motoring's sources, the entry-level model will use a turbocharged 2.7-liter six-cylinder engine that develops up to 407 PS (300 kW). Despite the improved performance, the engine will be more economical as it will reportedly consume less than 8L/100km (29.4 mpg US / 35.3 mpg UK). The 911 Carrera S will also feature a turbocharged engine and it is expected to displace 3.4-liters. Specifications remain a mystery but it should produce more than 407 PS (300 kW). The facelifted Porsche 911 is expected to be unveiled at the Frankfurt Motor Show, so expect to learn more in the coming months."
Source: Motoring
http://www.motoring.com.au/news/2015...11-ready-50203
Also, a user based in the Middle East is reporting that his dealer in UAE has confirmed allocation for .1 991 gt3 builds in June (one) and July (four). If true, these will be MY2016 vehicles. Need confirmation...but it opens the door for speculation that PAG is planning to extend production of .1 991 gt3 into at least early MY2016 production!
https://rennlist.com/forums/991-gt3/...be-last-7.html
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04-15-2015, 12:06 PM
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I just read a reliable rumor that the 991.2 Carrera S will have 420hp, so I don't see how the Carrera will have only 13hp fewer...