Anybody Concerned?
07-28-2014, 01:12 AM
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Over a year ago:
Yet you are still here. How novel.
You have previously stated that you are 70 years old, that you were a former racer, you've taken this year off from racing, and that you've been driving manual cars for 60 years. Strange math. But anyway, I find it strange given your racing experience that you have such concerns about PDK GT3 v. manual C7? Surely there are other things to worry about other than whether one street car is faster than another street car doing DE's or open lapping.
Most racers I know really couldn't give two ****s b/c all these cars mentioned are pretty lame race cars.
I've enjoyed my time on this forum, but i'll be going now. I came here thinking I could get a manual in the 991 GT3, but it seems like it's a dead end. I have zero interest in the PDK.
I've raced the Corvette since the 60's. I think it's best for me to stay with it. My plan it to buy a fully loaded C7 for a DD, and a stripper Z06, or whatever they plan on calling it for the track. That's still only a little over what the GT3 would cost. Not that I usually think about what i'm spending, but I don't want to spend foolishly either.
So, once again it's been a pleasure being here, and I bid you all a goodbye, and hope you all have happy track days.
I've raced the Corvette since the 60's. I think it's best for me to stay with it. My plan it to buy a fully loaded C7 for a DD, and a stripper Z06, or whatever they plan on calling it for the track. That's still only a little over what the GT3 would cost. Not that I usually think about what i'm spending, but I don't want to spend foolishly either.
So, once again it's been a pleasure being here, and I bid you all a goodbye, and hope you all have happy track days.
It's going to bring a smile to my face to beat the PDK GT3 with a manual C7 on the track.
Progress be damned.
Now i'm gone.
Progress be damned.
Now i'm gone.
You have previously stated that you are 70 years old, that you were a former racer, you've taken this year off from racing, and that you've been driving manual cars for 60 years. Strange math. But anyway, I find it strange given your racing experience that you have such concerns about PDK GT3 v. manual C7? Surely there are other things to worry about other than whether one street car is faster than another street car doing DE's or open lapping.
Most racers I know really couldn't give two ****s b/c all these cars mentioned are pretty lame race cars.
Last edited by frayed; 07-28-2014 at 08:24 AM.
07-28-2014, 02:42 AM
#78
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I do always love the "goodbye" posts on the Internet forums. It's not like you cant just click on a website and come right back.. So funny in general.
07-28-2014, 05:21 AM
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I thought this is a Porsche fourm where people care more about laptimes instead of straight line speed. I was referring to Nurburgring laptime of 7:22 vs 7.25 for GT3. I believe the same goes for other shorter circuits also but didn't have the time to look it up.
By the way i owned a C6 Z06 and raced lots of different cars through my life. Actually won bunch of sanctioned racing events from Lotus Cup to Radicals to GT cars. So my feedback is purely from experience. My record still stands after 3 years at Reem Track for a stock car with 1:22.6. 2nd fastest was an Viper ACR with a time in the 1:23s and after that 1:25s for a Ferrari Scudaria. Fastest Porsche was a 997.2 GT3RS with time in the 1:26s driven by Michael Verges.
Sorry if my username bothered you, it was created before i bought 2001 Camaro and C5 Vette at those times. I just kept using it across 50 different forums as Im a car enthusiast. I'm actually on this forum because I'm having a hard time choosing between 991 GT3RS and new C7 Z06. I need a weekend track car to get my blood pumping again.
Now after going through my credentials and username and why I'm here, let me shed some light on what makes the C6 Z06 platform quick around a laptime.
What made the Z06 fast believe it or not wasn't sheer straight line speed, it was the way it slowed down and allowed you to trail brake into corners as well as very high level of lateral grip to help your mid corner speeds. The exit speeds were great because of the LS7 TQ as well. The light weight aided by wide sticky tires helped there. Im referring here to the C6 Z06 with Z07 package of course as the early versions had Goodyear run flats and were a nightmare to drive fast.
Not sure about how the added weight will impact the C7 Z06 but if the weight gets to 3500lbs, I think it will suffer compared to the C6 Z06 weight of 3180lbs in at least two areas, braking and mid corner speed.
07-28-2014, 06:11 AM
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Guys enjoy your cars. It's a pointless pissing contest that can't be won. If you like the Z06 buy it, and if you like the GT3 buy it. Or buy both(: I used to like Vetts but the damn thing will shake apart, and give you a headache. Watch it being driven on top gear, and you will see my point. However, it's fast. Remember you can make anything go fast, but over speed will hurt you.
07-28-2014, 08:53 AM
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If you want a manual, the only choice is the C7 Z06. I love the looks of it, seen it in person and Red is damn hot. Though if the weight is 3500lbs I'd pass on it for just that reason.
07-28-2014, 09:58 AM
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I am not in love with its looks after I have seen it a dozen times but I did forget the "manual" option; which is huge.
If the new Vantage V12 S came with a Manual I would probably have that in my garage right now. Their single clutch I keep on hearing is horrendous. They also must be hurting for sales because you can get a deal on any Aston right now. They need to really catch up with their competition because they are living in the past - not trying to get off topic.
If the new Vantage V12 S came with a Manual I would probably have that in my garage right now. Their single clutch I keep on hearing is horrendous. They also must be hurting for sales because you can get a deal on any Aston right now. They need to really catch up with their competition because they are living in the past - not trying to get off topic.
07-28-2014, 12:04 PM
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TrackFan, I always try to be fair. 
The above is the sequence of posts that started this discussion. Clearly, the conversation began with a statement that the C6 Z06 was faster than the 991 GT3. You seemed to be agreeing that mainly's objection to that statement was out of line or were wondering why he would say something like that. If you didn't mean to imply that you agreed with the original post, you can at least understand, I hope, how we may have gotten that impression.
Regardless, I'm not being unfair to anyone. Definitive statements were made by at least two posters that the C6 Z06 was faster than the 991 GT3, in one case "by a good margin". Those statements were incorrect. EOS.
The above is the sequence of posts that started this discussion. Clearly, the conversation began with a statement that the C6 Z06 was faster than the 991 GT3. You seemed to be agreeing that mainly's objection to that statement was out of line or were wondering why he would say something like that. If you didn't mean to imply that you agreed with the original post, you can at least understand, I hope, how we may have gotten that impression.
Regardless, I'm not being unfair to anyone. Definitive statements were made by at least two posters that the C6 Z06 was faster than the 991 GT3, in one case "by a good margin". Those statements were incorrect. EOS.
I agree the 991 GT3 is faster than the old Z06.
However, to be fair we have to compare the C7 Z06 to the 991 GT3, and the Vette will come out the winner there. Then again to be really fair we should be comparing the C7 Z06 to the 991 GT3 RS. Even if the Z06 is the winner with that comparison. I believe i'd prefer the RS. Damn PDK and all.
07-28-2014, 12:12 PM
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Over a year ago:
Yet you are still here. How novel.
You have previously stated that you are 70 years old, that you were a former racer, you've taken this year off from racing, and that you've been driving manual cars for 60 years. Strange math. But anyway, I find it strange given your racing experience that you have such concerns about PDK GT3 v. manual C7? Surely there are other things to worry about other than whether one street car is faster than another street car doing DE's or open lapping.
Most racers I know really couldn't give two ****s b/c all these cars mentioned are pretty lame race cars.
Yet you are still here. How novel.
You have previously stated that you are 70 years old, that you were a former racer, you've taken this year off from racing, and that you've been driving manual cars for 60 years. Strange math. But anyway, I find it strange given your racing experience that you have such concerns about PDK GT3 v. manual C7? Surely there are other things to worry about other than whether one street car is faster than another street car doing DE's or open lapping.
Most racers I know really couldn't give two ****s b/c all these cars mentioned are pretty lame race cars.
With the GT3 fixed (hopefully) I decided to start posting here again. The Z06 turned out to be more than I thought it would, but I still want to see what the RS will be. So, that's where I am now. I've also been bitten by the vintage racing bug, and i'm looking into that.
btw..The math is fine. I started to drive at 10 years old on a farm. Manual of course.
07-28-2014, 12:51 PM
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Agreed if it comes out around 3500lbs I think I will go with the 991 GT3RS and get me a manual M3 next to it. I would take PDK over 3500lbs that is for sure.
07-28-2014, 01:42 PM
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07-28-2014, 02:00 PM
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More power will only produce better times on certain tracks. If I recall EVO tested the new GT3 against the MP4-12C which has significantly more power as well. The GT3 was just as fast at that track - it may have actually been just slightly faster.
07-28-2014, 02:27 PM
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07-28-2014, 04:40 PM
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Yes that was impressive but the R compound tire on the GT3 made for alot of that speed. R compound tires can shave up to 3 seconds on a 1 min 30 second lap. Still Mclaren should have equipped their cars with good tires.
07-28-2014, 04:50 PM
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I don't dispute that the new GT3 is a faster car in a straight line especially from a standing start with all the weight over the rear tires helping it to hook up. Most likely above 130mph the C6 Z06 will either hold or win some of the lost ground against a 991 GT3 but who cares after those speeds anyways.
I thought this is a Porsche fourm where people care more about laptimes instead of straight line speed. I was referring to Nurburgring laptime of 7:22 vs 7.25 for GT3. I believe the same goes for other shorter circuits also but didn't have the time to look it up.
I thought this is a Porsche fourm where people care more about laptimes instead of straight line speed. I was referring to Nurburgring laptime of 7:22 vs 7.25 for GT3. I believe the same goes for other shorter circuits also but didn't have the time to look it up.
Anyway, as posted earlier I said that some tracks might favor the Vette and others the GT3. The earlier statements about the C6 Z06 being faster than the 991 GT3 came across as definite, leave-no-doubt comments. I'm simply suggesting that it's not so cut and dried.
You're right, and I apologize. I missed the fact that he mentioned the C6 Z06. I was thinking the C7 Z06 all this time.
I agree the 991 GT3 is faster than the old Z06.
However, to be fair we have to compare the C7 Z06 to the 991 GT3, and the Vette will come out the winner there. Then again to be really fair we should be comparing the C7 Z06 to the 991 GT3 RS. Even if the Z06 is the winner with that comparison. I believe i'd prefer the RS. Damn PDK and all.
I agree the 991 GT3 is faster than the old Z06.
However, to be fair we have to compare the C7 Z06 to the 991 GT3, and the Vette will come out the winner there. Then again to be really fair we should be comparing the C7 Z06 to the 991 GT3 RS. Even if the Z06 is the winner with that comparison. I believe i'd prefer the RS. Damn PDK and all.
