991 GT3 RS production numbers?
12-04-2016, 04:27 AM
#31
Its possible, you will see it. 
12-04-2016, 04:32 AM
#32
Maybe yes, maybe no. I know of a couple of senior Porsche guys distributing completely conflicting information to different people, presumably to undermine the overs markets. So don't just believe what one Porsche guy tells you.
12-04-2016, 05:02 AM
#33
12-04-2016, 05:12 AM
#34
It's true. On the other thread a few months back we compiled almost 3000 units just using data from a handful of markets excluding Europe. For sure it's well over 4000 units by end of production this month but I suspect it's under 6000 so maybe GT3 plus RS is indeed around 9000.
If we take (rounded numbers roughly confirmed from other thread) 300 UK, 350 HK, Sing, Taiwan, Malaysia, 20 NZ, 140 Australia, 1600 US/Canada, 1100 western Europe, then that leaves 1000 units for India, Eastern Europe, Russia, china, Brunei, Africa and South America. 4500 doesn't look unrealistic?
If we take (rounded numbers roughly confirmed from other thread) 300 UK, 350 HK, Sing, Taiwan, Malaysia, 20 NZ, 140 Australia, 1600 US/Canada, 1100 western Europe, then that leaves 1000 units for India, Eastern Europe, Russia, china, Brunei, Africa and South America. 4500 doesn't look unrealistic?
12-04-2016, 05:32 AM
#35
12-04-2016, 05:37 AM
#36
Maybe little bit more about RS but you have the right direction.
12-04-2016, 07:36 AM
#37
Rennlist Member
With 1500 already manufactured for NA and final figures still to come in there is no way it can be less than 4000 just adding these up 15 countries up and adding GB. We haven't talked rest of Europe, Russia, China, India (very small), rest of SE Asia, and central & South America.
Rounded numbers
NZ 20
AU 120
SA 20
Jap 300
GB 300
France 200
Germany 370
Italy 140
Belgium 60
Holland 60
USA 1400
Canada 200
UAE 80
Taiwan 120
HK 120
Sing 45
That's 3,555 excluding final few months production, then add
Russia
Rest of Western Europe (with above and be.ow likely to be almost 300, Spain etc)
Eastern Europe
Central America (I heard over 30 units for Mexico alone)
South America (Brazil definitely has them)
China
India
Brunei (I believe 15 units)
Rest of Asia
Rest of Middle East
I think we can safely say 900 plus across Therese and the other 20-30 markets the RS shipped to?
12-04-2016, 07:46 AM
#39
Drifting
Agree, some of the numbers being thrown around make no sense.
take the 9500 number for example. If that was true, then over a 20 month run (guessing?), that means roughly 50k total 991s being produced. if the 9500 number was true, that would mean 1 in every 5 cars off the line is a GT3 RS, for 20 months: just doesn't make sense.
Anyone do the factory tour in last year and half? While there are indeed RS's on the line, there are not that many!
take the 9500 number for example. If that was true, then over a 20 month run (guessing?), that means roughly 50k total 991s being produced. if the 9500 number was true, that would mean 1 in every 5 cars off the line is a GT3 RS, for 20 months: just doesn't make sense.
Anyone do the factory tour in last year and half? While there are indeed RS's on the line, there are not that many!
12-04-2016, 08:00 AM
#40
Grazi
12-04-2016, 08:05 AM
#41
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12-04-2016, 08:41 AM
#43
Originally Posted by disden
Agree, some of the numbers being thrown around make no sense.
take the 9500 number for example. If that was true, then over a 20 month run (guessing?), that means roughly 50k total 991s being produced. if the 9500 number was true, that would mean 1 in every 5 cars off the line is a GT3 RS, for 20 months: just doesn't make sense.
Anyone do the factory tour in last year and half? While there are indeed RS's on the line, there are not that many!
take the 9500 number for example. If that was true, then over a 20 month run (guessing?), that means roughly 50k total 991s being produced. if the 9500 number was true, that would mean 1 in every 5 cars off the line is a GT3 RS, for 20 months: just doesn't make sense.
Anyone do the factory tour in last year and half? While there are indeed RS's on the line, there are not that many!
12-04-2016, 10:04 AM
#44
Nordschleife Master
Was you Porsche guy wearing a tin foil hat?
Anything (well nearly anything) is possible. It's possible Santa's elves were helping RS production too.
If there are 7500 RS's go back to the dealer and tell him to find you one at less than MSRP. Even better tell him you'll give a $2,000 bonus to his commission as an Xmas gift if he gets you one at MSRP. Heck, sweeten the deal.Make it $5000. New or used. Still a killer deal for you..... "You'll see".
All these numbers are based on information from a source who got it from a source who got it from someone who knows someone who is a reliable source. Yup.
Use common sense. GT production is limited by many factors physical and market. Further those who own these cars tend to live in upper class areas where you would expect to see them or go to places where it wouldn't be surprising. When I see them driving around Newark NJ I'll rethink my position.
At 4500 units or more WW the market place would be FLOODED with them and I suspect Rennlist would be flooded with ALOT of new and over joyed excited owners. Where are these guys?
4500+ww? Really? Lol. That's over 200 cars a month production. Tell me, who has been to the PAG plant and saw what looked like 50 cars on the line that week or hundreds in the yard? I haven't seen that posted here.
And with the engine issues I guess they are REALLY REALLY confident they have it licked with the G/G1 otherwise it's gonna get expensive for them not to mention the PR nightmare. Yep, I can see the auto journalists now writing about how PAG ramped up production 4x over original production to cash in if the G has not fixed the E&F issues. Sheesh.
2500 to 3000 ww max.
Anything (well nearly anything) is possible. It's possible Santa's elves were helping RS production too.
If there are 7500 RS's go back to the dealer and tell him to find you one at less than MSRP. Even better tell him you'll give a $2,000 bonus to his commission as an Xmas gift if he gets you one at MSRP. Heck, sweeten the deal.Make it $5000. New or used. Still a killer deal for you..... "You'll see".
All these numbers are based on information from a source who got it from a source who got it from someone who knows someone who is a reliable source. Yup.
Use common sense. GT production is limited by many factors physical and market. Further those who own these cars tend to live in upper class areas where you would expect to see them or go to places where it wouldn't be surprising. When I see them driving around Newark NJ I'll rethink my position.
At 4500 units or more WW the market place would be FLOODED with them and I suspect Rennlist would be flooded with ALOT of new and over joyed excited owners. Where are these guys?
4500+ww? Really? Lol. That's over 200 cars a month production. Tell me, who has been to the PAG plant and saw what looked like 50 cars on the line that week or hundreds in the yard? I haven't seen that posted here.
And with the engine issues I guess they are REALLY REALLY confident they have it licked with the G/G1 otherwise it's gonna get expensive for them not to mention the PR nightmare. Yep, I can see the auto journalists now writing about how PAG ramped up production 4x over original production to cash in if the G has not fixed the E&F issues. Sheesh.
2500 to 3000 ww max.
Last edited by Waxer; 12-04-2016 at 10:19 AM.
12-04-2016, 10:33 AM
#45
Instructor
Damn you are right. 4500 looks close to the money. Back on an earlier thread owners who had spoken to their countries distributors (where present) had been given supposedly accurate info to that point. I know from talking with local Porsche employees they have been surprised how many RS produced. NZ and Australia and SA got almost 3x 997.2 GT3RS allocation. Uk wasn't given as many probably due to thinner margins and speculative owners but UAE, Taiwan, HK, Singapore have all reported excessive numbers compared to historical. IIRC France, Belgium, Holland, Germany, Italy alone is almost 900 units. Japan I've been told by reliable sources is over 300 units alone!
With 1500 already manufactured for NA and final figures still to come in there is no way it can be less than 4000 just adding these up 15 countries up and adding GB. We haven't talked rest of Europe, Russia, China, India (very small), rest of SE Asia, and central & South America.
Rounded numbers
NZ 20
AU 120
SA 20
Jap 300
GB 300
France 200
Germany 370
Italy 140
Belgium 60
Holland 60
USA 1400
Canada 200
UAE 80
Taiwan 120
HK 120
Sing 45
That's 3,555 excluding final few months production, then add
Russia
Rest of Western Europe (with above and be.ow likely to be almost 300, Spain etc)
Eastern Europe
Central America (I heard over 30 units for Mexico alone)
South America (Brazil definitely has them)
China
India
Brunei (I believe 15 units)
Rest of Asia
Rest of Middle East
I think we can safely say 900 plus across Therese and the other 20-30 markets the RS shipped to?
With 1500 already manufactured for NA and final figures still to come in there is no way it can be less than 4000 just adding these up 15 countries up and adding GB. We haven't talked rest of Europe, Russia, China, India (very small), rest of SE Asia, and central & South America.
Rounded numbers
NZ 20
AU 120
SA 20
Jap 300
GB 300
France 200
Germany 370
Italy 140
Belgium 60
Holland 60
USA 1400
Canada 200
UAE 80
Taiwan 120
HK 120
Sing 45
That's 3,555 excluding final few months production, then add
Russia
Rest of Western Europe (with above and be.ow likely to be almost 300, Spain etc)
Eastern Europe
Central America (I heard over 30 units for Mexico alone)
South America (Brazil definitely has them)
China
India
Brunei (I believe 15 units)
Rest of Asia
Rest of Middle East
I think we can safely say 900 plus across Therese and the other 20-30 markets the RS shipped to?
Definitely a lot more than 997.2 RS in AU, understandably much wider market appeal with PDK & general increase in appreciation of Porsche GT products recently, I believe.