911R Driving Impressions
10-13-2016, 01:44 AM
#18
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thx for great review.
now who will let me drive their R ;-)
now who will let me drive their R ;-)
10-13-2016, 03:03 AM
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10-13-2016, 04:33 AM
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This car was never intented to be a challenger to the RS, but just a "fun car" to enjoy on the road, and sometimes on a track.
The RS was designed to homologated the RSR and to be a track weapon that can go there by itself.
Different cars for different uses.
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10-13-2016, 06:44 AM
#23
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Just to be sure I understand correctly, you are saying the sportbutton revmatches on UPshifts ?
10-13-2016, 07:50 AM
#24
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Originally Posted by bccars
Just to be sure I understand correctly, you are saying the sportbutton revmatches on UPshifts ?
10-13-2016, 12:35 PM
#26
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A few more comments…
Preuninger’s break-in recommendation is 5k rpm limit for the first 1000 km, then add 1k rpm. And every following 500km, add an additional 1k rpm. In the early days, most important to vary the rpm, not lug the engine, and avoid continuous high load operation. Also, as I mentioned earlier, after the first 500km the engine map changes to be a lot more aggressive – an insane bark at startup, and more aggressive throttle blips. At startup and idle, this thing reminds of a racing Ducati V-twin superbike.
The Sport button blips to smooths upshifts as well as downshifts. The only car that revs as quickly as an R with single-mass flywheel, is a Carrera GT. BTW, the GT4 engine has so much inertia that there is no comparison - I have never needed upshift blips in that car. And speaking of comparisons with the Carrera GT, the R sounds better inside and not as good from the outside, but still fantastic.
Compared to a current 991 GT3 RS, this car is a lot more special. Both for what it actually is, and for what it represents.
What it is, is a hot-rodded manual road-oriented version of the RS – lighter, slimmer, rawer, manual gears, light flywheel, etc. And from my experience of owning both cars, the R’s acceleration feels like that of a 550 hp RS. While the RS has the advantage of launch control and immediate gear shifts, the R accelerates noticeably harder within gear.
What it represents is, is what makes the R truly special. For me, the RS is simply the latest in a line of track weapons among which there is significant lineage in the form of every previous RS, and a number of alternatives – regular GT3, Speciale, 675 LT, etc. With the R, there is no previous version or obvious alternatives – if you want a raw hot-rod manual road weapon, there is nothing else even close. The R is almost as exciting as a CGT but a lot more fun without the grim reaper waiting to pounce at any wrong move.
The GT4 is a puppy, the CGT a lion, and the R a thoroughbred.
Preuninger’s break-in recommendation is 5k rpm limit for the first 1000 km, then add 1k rpm. And every following 500km, add an additional 1k rpm. In the early days, most important to vary the rpm, not lug the engine, and avoid continuous high load operation. Also, as I mentioned earlier, after the first 500km the engine map changes to be a lot more aggressive – an insane bark at startup, and more aggressive throttle blips. At startup and idle, this thing reminds of a racing Ducati V-twin superbike.
The Sport button blips to smooths upshifts as well as downshifts. The only car that revs as quickly as an R with single-mass flywheel, is a Carrera GT. BTW, the GT4 engine has so much inertia that there is no comparison - I have never needed upshift blips in that car. And speaking of comparisons with the Carrera GT, the R sounds better inside and not as good from the outside, but still fantastic.
Compared to a current 991 GT3 RS, this car is a lot more special. Both for what it actually is, and for what it represents.
What it is, is a hot-rodded manual road-oriented version of the RS – lighter, slimmer, rawer, manual gears, light flywheel, etc. And from my experience of owning both cars, the R’s acceleration feels like that of a 550 hp RS. While the RS has the advantage of launch control and immediate gear shifts, the R accelerates noticeably harder within gear.
What it represents is, is what makes the R truly special. For me, the RS is simply the latest in a line of track weapons among which there is significant lineage in the form of every previous RS, and a number of alternatives – regular GT3, Speciale, 675 LT, etc. With the R, there is no previous version or obvious alternatives – if you want a raw hot-rod manual road weapon, there is nothing else even close. The R is almost as exciting as a CGT but a lot more fun without the grim reaper waiting to pounce at any wrong move.
The GT4 is a puppy, the CGT a lion, and the R a thoroughbred.
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10-13-2016, 01:28 PM
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I have to admit I've never heard of rev matching up shifts...why not just flat shift it then?
10-13-2016, 02:23 PM
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Originally Posted by raclaims
I have to admit I've never heard of rev matching up shifts...why not just flat shift it then?
As much as naysayers will jump and say it's just a fake pdk with a clutch,bear in mind that IT CAN be deactivated. The only thing you have to do is leave the Sport button off. There was some misconception in the beginning related to the Sport button : once you press it On,it will run cooler because the DME will operate the thermostat differently. You will observe this behavior while running in Sport mode under normal driving. BUT, the Sport button DOES NOT need to be depressed in order for the DME to command better cooling. ALL YOU HAVE TO DO is drive aggressively and you will quickly realize that the coolant temperatures will drop initially more than in Normal driving.
I believe Porsche is going to continue implementing this system in all their cars with a manual transmission. That way,those that were complaining about not being able to concentrate on their line and having to heel/toe while on the track have nothing to complain about anymore.
So there you have it : best of both Worlds. You certainly don't have " best of both Worlds " with pdk.
10-13-2016, 02:30 PM
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10-13-2016, 04:23 PM
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Impatient to compare with my 997 gt3 RS 4.0
I also have a 991 RS and what I can say is that if the RS 991 is bluffing, the 997 RS 4.0 Gt3 is absolutely stunning and completely visceral. in terms of pleasure, I prefer the 997 GT3 Rs 4.0 even if the RS 991 is really a very efficient car
I also have a 991 RS and what I can say is that if the RS 991 is bluffing, the 997 RS 4.0 Gt3 is absolutely stunning and completely visceral. in terms of pleasure, I prefer the 997 GT3 Rs 4.0 even if the RS 991 is really a very efficient car