How many 15-16 gt3's have engine replaced?
02-16-2016, 11:06 AM
#31
This is exactly what my service advisor told me. They had the engine pulled friday, still waiting on follow up but to my understanding they will either replace the top end or the whole motor...
02-16-2016, 12:07 PM
#32
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Hi CREX. Is this your own car? If so Im sorry. I have anecdotal data only on a few RS engine failures at the track in Europe. However these are not first hand and thus I know nothing of the reason why and it may well be unrelated (one was due to a fire so definitely unrelated). I have not therefore included these as data points....
Just as a point to note the E series engine issues are not "catastrophic". By that I mean it would be a relatively simple procedure to get the engine running again (replacing the rocker levers and cams on the affected bank). Its not like a journal bearing failing on the crankshaft or anything...
I would be very interested if you could update us on the reason for failure when its known. Or feel free to PM me as Im keeping a log of this. The engine would have thrown a code and the tech would have had a procedure to follow. With the "cylinder misfire" code there is a strict protocol the tech must follow before PAG will respond with a replacement engine. Regardless of whether that engine has 900 miles on it or 9000 miles. This makes me think that the issue with the RS you mention was either more catastrophic (we have had a G series engine reported on here with pictures of a rod through the case for example!) or so such a nature that only a visual inspection was necessary to deem it unsalvageable by local warranty repair.
It is my belief that PAG will end up swapping all E series engines with replacements. I say this because I believe something has come to light since the E & F engines were built that points towards a more complex issue than simply defective DLC coating on the rockers. By this I mean the oiling system itself as evidenced by the changes in the G and RS engines. Im fairly certain the learning has been on going right until November last year, much of the last (final?) lessons learnt with the 991 GT3 R race engine in development.
Lastly, its with regret to inform my track buddy over hear with same road and track mileage as myself succumbed to the same failure last weekend. When I told him what had happened to me he was skeptical, when it happened to him at almost identical mileage he was incredulous. A new G series engine is currently being air-freighted from Germany for him. It was again RHS bank. Our E series engines were replaced same time same place after stop sale. He did not have the software update but had just completed 2 years service with plugs....
Just as a point to note the E series engine issues are not "catastrophic". By that I mean it would be a relatively simple procedure to get the engine running again (replacing the rocker levers and cams on the affected bank). Its not like a journal bearing failing on the crankshaft or anything...
I would be very interested if you could update us on the reason for failure when its known. Or feel free to PM me as Im keeping a log of this. The engine would have thrown a code and the tech would have had a procedure to follow. With the "cylinder misfire" code there is a strict protocol the tech must follow before PAG will respond with a replacement engine. Regardless of whether that engine has 900 miles on it or 9000 miles. This makes me think that the issue with the RS you mention was either more catastrophic (we have had a G series engine reported on here with pictures of a rod through the case for example!) or so such a nature that only a visual inspection was necessary to deem it unsalvageable by local warranty repair.
It is my belief that PAG will end up swapping all E series engines with replacements. I say this because I believe something has come to light since the E & F engines were built that points towards a more complex issue than simply defective DLC coating on the rockers. By this I mean the oiling system itself as evidenced by the changes in the G and RS engines. Im fairly certain the learning has been on going right until November last year, much of the last (final?) lessons learnt with the 991 GT3 R race engine in development.
Lastly, its with regret to inform my track buddy over hear with same road and track mileage as myself succumbed to the same failure last weekend. When I told him what had happened to me he was skeptical, when it happened to him at almost identical mileage he was incredulous. A new G series engine is currently being air-freighted from Germany for him. It was again RHS bank. Our E series engines were replaced same time same place after stop sale. He did not have the software update but had just completed 2 years service with plugs....
Agree with you on E series. It seems to be just a matter of when, not if.
02-16-2016, 12:35 PM
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As known engines updates are done either during production
differently than facelifts
so saying F or G means nothing
differently than facelifts
so saying F or G means nothing
02-16-2016, 01:00 PM
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Got a friend with a Nov '14 car having a new engine - I believe it was a mis-fire issue on cylinders 4&5. I will try and get the engine block letter and any further info on new engine and works to be done - he has been told oil lines, s/ware as well as new engine. It took a week before Germany authorised a new engine.
Macca - the data you are collecting are you posting/sharing it somewhere so that we can all look at it?
Macca - the data you are collecting are you posting/sharing it somewhere so that we can all look at it?
02-16-2016, 03:28 PM
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Im fairly certain the learning has been on going right until November last year
02-16-2016, 09:41 PM
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Got a friend with a Nov '14 car having a new engine - I believe it was a mis-fire issue on cylinders 4&5. I will try and get the engine block letter and any further info on new engine and works to be done - he has been told oil lines, s/ware as well as new engine. It took a week before Germany authorised a new engine. Macca - the data you are collecting are you posting/sharing it somewhere so that we can all look at it?
02-17-2016, 10:55 PM
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02-17-2016, 10:57 PM
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pS you will be 18 on the list. I think our first proper F block failure tho I will check my notes. Let me know what country you are from, when the car was delivered new and when it failed. Thanks again
02-21-2016, 08:57 PM
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E engine today, misfire cylinder 6.
I had it happen once in March last year, pitting out and stopping/starting car and had been fine until today. 3 times today before I got it to the dealer.
I had it happen once in March last year, pitting out and stopping/starting car and had been fine until today. 3 times today before I got it to the dealer.
02-21-2016, 09:38 PM
#42
Drifting
Sad to see this happening. Glad mine is CPOd. I was going to put on a bypass exhaust, however if my engine takes a dive I don't want any possible excuses for Porsche to deny the claim. Also glad Porsche is standing behind their product.
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02-21-2016, 09:48 PM
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Originally Posted by bigkraig
E engine today, misfire cylinder 6.
I had it happen once in March last year, pitting out and stopping/starting car and had been fine until today. 3 times today before I got it to the dealer.
I had it happen once in March last year, pitting out and stopping/starting car and had been fine until today. 3 times today before I got it to the dealer.
