Greg Brown Vs Mark Kibort THE CHALLENGE AGREED TO!
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Oh Dear Lord.... I've been off RL for a couple months and I don't know if it is comforting that Kibort never changes or more reason to walk away for another couple of months.
If I'm in the minority of owners that DO NOT CARE about what fantastic information Mark K has to share about Amsoil, stock engines being pushed to their limits on race tracks or his generally trying to disprove fact, I am sorry.
I'll share Greg's "Please make him stop" because SERIOUSLY.... PLEASE. MAKE. HIM. STOP.
If I'm in the minority of owners that DO NOT CARE about what fantastic information Mark K has to share about Amsoil, stock engines being pushed to their limits on race tracks or his generally trying to disprove fact, I am sorry.
I'll share Greg's "Please make him stop" because SERIOUSLY.... PLEASE. MAKE. HIM. STOP.
#153
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Greg - its much easier when all the thread pages look like this:
I do highly recommend it - it has made my rennlist experience more enjoyable by far...
Alan
I do highly recommend it - it has made my rennlist experience more enjoyable by far...
Alan
#154
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No I do not think long accelerations hurt the engines. the G loading is so low that it approximates the longest slow accelerations from a stop to 70mph during street driving. and even if you were correct, the fact that most of our use in racing DOES take the engine to redline in 3rd gear and near 5700-6000rpm in 4th gear as at laguna main straight and especially thunderhill main and back straight.
because the "scalar" g forces go down proportional to speed, you only need the same acceleration rate at half the speed 120 vs 60mph , to experience the same g forces , and since this force required at the engine goes down as speed goes down but is kept constant at the tires, you can go from 0 to 70mph over a much longer time, and create the same oil moving g forces. (and at the same RPM levels if desired)
plus, if you do a test with a stock oil pan and see the how little the oil can move with the small g forces available at WOT in 3rd gear and especially 4th gear, you would see that its unlilkely that this condition would have any effect in "uncovering " the oil pool from the oil pick up ladle.
In my car running at WOT, the oil does not flow down the pan until sometime in 5th gear. So how much is being pumped out of the sump? How much simply rolls back out of the sump? And then the money questions:
When accelerating straight ahead, does the pickup get uncovered or suck foam?
Does the foam created in long accelerations get sucked in at the next corner?
I've got graphs of this and know it's a problem. That's why I enjoy knowing I've got the super-cool Ishihara-Johnson windage kit in the bottom of my engine. All those fingers, scrapers, and baffles include a cover for the sump and moving trap doors that keep oil in the sump. Power ON: oil stays in the sump. Power OFF: oil rushes in.
I'd need to dig through records to see how many track hours I've got since my rod bearing failure. It's a lot. It's more than any other 928 in my area. (I'm excluding Wisconsin. Those boys are crazy.)
And, Alan, that's just mean. I've got plenty of people on ignore. I choose to just ignore them.
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Drifting
[QUOTE=jej3;12642422]Oh Dear Lord.... I've been off RL for a couple months and I don't know if it is comforting that Kibort never changes or more reason to walk away for another couple of months.
+1, What a bore already. Egos run-a-muck. Big fish in little pond.
Going to watch the news now.
+1, What a bore already. Egos run-a-muck. Big fish in little pond.
Going to watch the news now.
Last edited by The Fixer; 10-04-2015 at 12:01 PM. Reason: punctuation
#156
Drifting
1 more thing that has occurred to me for a long time regarding the "big names" mentioned here.
They never stop in to a guys thread that's restoring their car or making a repair and say "Good Job" or "Nice Work". Unless they want to sell something..
If it's Not about Their career, their legendary lap time or "better" product
They're just absent.
They never stop in to a guys thread that's restoring their car or making a repair and say "Good Job" or "Nice Work". Unless they want to sell something..
If it's Not about Their career, their legendary lap time or "better" product
They're just absent.
#158
Didn't others start this argument with Mark Kibort on Rennlist? so then its festering in mark for some time, insulting him for quite some time, and so it becomes like a western duel.
And yes naturally its tied into ego and the harm to one's ego and to a subject that they take quite seriously or did at some point, and nobody wants to be belittled. I think they should go at it on the track and then everyone can at the end stop acting all high and mighty and see the different strengths each driver and car has in this race, learn to be noble winners and graceful losers. God knows the world could use a lot more of them. And losing is a great way to learn how to improve one's self.
And yes naturally its tied into ego and the harm to one's ego and to a subject that they take quite seriously or did at some point, and nobody wants to be belittled. I think they should go at it on the track and then everyone can at the end stop acting all high and mighty and see the different strengths each driver and car has in this race, learn to be noble winners and graceful losers. God knows the world could use a lot more of them. And losing is a great way to learn how to improve one's self.
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Rob, does that make you feel better about yourself.... were you pushed around in school? if so, we will be your friend here and you can feel safe... we will protect you.
Daniel... that goes for you too!
Daniel... that goes for you too!
Perhaps you had the best years of your life being a high school bully - and before you assume I'm a "little man" etc, I jammed plenty of other kids heads down the toilet at school etc - but I knew when it was time to grow up and stop being an a#$hole.
Have a lovely day.
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MK - Full a#$hole marks for that one. I have seen numerous posts from you over the last decade that make similar statements to people who disagree with you and interestingly, they always seem to be people who have done a *lot* to help others on the board over the years. Having a dig like that at one of the boards most helpful members is a new low.
Perhaps you had the best years of your life being a high school bully - and before you assume I'm a "little man" etc, I jammed plenty of other kids heads down the toilet at school etc - but I knew when it was time to grow up and stop being an a#$hole.
Have a lovely day.
Perhaps you had the best years of your life being a high school bully - and before you assume I'm a "little man" etc, I jammed plenty of other kids heads down the toilet at school etc - but I knew when it was time to grow up and stop being an a#$hole.
Have a lovely day.
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Meh, I was being a snarky jerk and MK was slinging it back, deserved on my part. For every snarky thing I actually post, there are about 10 compositions that get deleted instead of posted. Shoulda taken the high road and done that here.
Though I do think the pscychology study is amusing.
Though I do think the pscychology study is amusing.
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Drifting
Originally Posted by yardpro
This threads is like all the others.... Especially the Hp vs torque debate.....
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MK - Full a#$hole marks for that one. I have seen numerous posts from you over the last decade that make similar statements to people who disagree with you and interestingly, they always seem to be people who have done a *lot* to help others on the board over the years. Having a dig like that at one of the boards most helpful members is a new low.
Perhaps you had the best years of your life being a high school bully - and before you assume I'm a "little man" etc, I jammed plenty of other kids heads down the toilet at school etc - but I knew when it was time to grow up and stop being an a#$hole.
Have a lovely day.
Perhaps you had the best years of your life being a high school bully - and before you assume I'm a "little man" etc, I jammed plenty of other kids heads down the toilet at school etc - but I knew when it was time to grow up and stop being an a#$hole.
Have a lovely day.
usually, people do mock what they dont understand. its no different around here and i get that.
I use this place to help and to learn... others are here for other reasons and thats ok.. i have a thick skin!