R.Pires

I known it's a 95, I known it's a manual, I known it only has 26.368km's, I known they are going up in value, but 125.000 euros?????

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Rob Edwards

That's Chuck Z's ex-GTS, with the gauge cluster switched to showing kms. Lots of money but try to find a better one. (Or another one, for that matter...)

928cs

Well, it should have stayed on your side of the Atlantic then.
It worths less than a European car, here.

Rob Edwards

Hi Samuel- interesting! so if you had a U.S. vs. a German (or French, or other European LHD model), GTS, same trans, same color, same miles, the Euro car is worth more? From a collector or market standpoint, what's the reason (other than the better lighting, cooler license plate recess in the rear bumper, etc.. )

polecat702

$132,137.50 is insane. Won't ever sell at that price.

Range Rover

Oh I'll bed that it will. This is a pristine GTS. Lesser-quality examples have come relatively close to that price.

kmascotto

Wow, I hope it does...it will float all 928's in the market...just a little higher

928cs

Rob,

In Europe, I think a European car will always worth more than its US sibling for multiples reasons:
- Most of time, more power and lower chassis.
- No homologation problem and modifications to do to register it.
- Easier to find parts, if some are specific, and more documents to maintain the car.
- Most of time, easier to know the history.
- No need to change the odometer and so less doubt about the real "mileage".
- If you find a car delivered in your country, all indications will be in your language.
- This is the exact model you were dreaming of years ago that you can buy now.

So except for a really interesting model, it makes more sense to buy a Euro version.

For example, the third to last US GTS has stayed for sale in France during months before a friend has bought it.

Let me know if this is unclear.

Vilhuer

If price seems high lets make a deal. I'll give you $100k cash on hand. Bring me '95 MY ROW LHD 5sp GTS registered somewhere within EU which has genuine 30k km's or less on odometer. I'll be waiting, probably forever. Simple fact is that 99% of all ROW GTS have been driven much more than 30k. They all were 30k driven 15 years ago already and now have at least 100k. To get those cars back to under 30k condition takes about 100k when it's done professionally.

Vilhuer

Just to illustrate how difficult that $100k challenge is. There were just 47 '95 MY ROW LHD 5sp GTS made. If 99% rule is correct it's very likely none of them is under 30k km's driven today. In any case I'll take WP0ZZZ92ZSS800446 please. It's last one made and do not have M650 option.

928cs

That was not my point, Erkka

I just don't think it makes sense to import a US car in Europe. I'm not sure there is a Euro manual 1995 GTS with so few km's but buying a car because it was not driven is a nonsense for me.

I would prefer a car with a nice and original colors combination any day.
The US Winbledon green manual GTS is more valuable to me than this car.

I should ask its owner but I know one of the last Euro 1995 GTS, in manual, that had less than 20k km's in 1999. I'm not sure it has more than 30k km's now.
I think this is WP0ZZZ92ZSS800443, but I will ask.

FredR

At the end of the day any commodity is only worth what you can get for it. that being said said those of us "in the know" have known for quite some time that the 928 is a great machine and we were simply ahead of the game being able to get a great machine at arguably a bargain basement price.

As these cars have taken attrition so have the numbers remaining on the road with many falling by the wayside and thus generating a cottage industry for the specialist breakers like Mark A who was savvy enough to spot the market years ago. As to what this example is really worth I have no idea but given manual GTS's are rather thin on the ground numbers wise I suspect someone wide awake is testing the market to see what he can get.

Assuming market values leave the bargain basement it will be interesting to see how this impacts on vehicle numbers available for breaking and the market values in general. Errka has summed up the situation quite nicely- not many were made and more likely that not you will not find legit examples with that kind of mileage. I think good clean examples are destined to rise in value quite significantly if they have not done so already.

Rgds

Fred

Dave928S

I agree Fred ... mine (WP0ZZZ92ZSS800358 ... 120k km) certainly already has. I've had three potential buyers contact me to ask that I keep their details and let me know if I ever want to sell, and I just recently had an offer close to this money ... which I refused.

I'm not selling ... but it's nice to know it's been worth the effort I've put into getting it close to perfect.

Wisconsin Joe

He can always take a lower offer.

It's pretty hard to post a price and then ask more.

I'm going to guess that Erkka is correct that this is probably the lowest mileage 95 GTS 5 speed out there. It's almost certainly the best one on the market today. A lot of owners simply aren't willing to sell for anything close to a reasonable price. I wouldn't let mine go for less that twice what it's worth today.

For some people, that is very valuable. I'm not one of them. But I can't afford that kind of car, so it's a moot point.
I think the prices are definitely going up on the low mileage, mint condition cars (mostly the very early and very late ones). When and if that will percolate down to the "middle year" cars and to the lesser condition cars is a good question.

christiandk

I sure dont like the small modifications on the car, wheels, painted cross member etc. Who in their right mind would do that to a very low mls GTS?